Congrats California....you lose again
 

So now what the fuck are we talking about? How about no more dark colored cars. Yep, that's right. Lets take away color choices for cars now you motherfuckers. Cause the AC works .002% harder and makes .000123 more carbon....FUCK YOU! :vash:

California to reduce carbon emissions by... banning black cars?!

Some more articles.

CARB So Crazy: California To Ban Black Cars? | The Truth About Cars

CARB trying to get rid of black cars in California - [CARB Emissions] - MotorAuthority - Car news, reviews, spy shots

Why not just ban A/C?

The Commie State of California.

I didn't read the article, no need too. Their regulations on OTR trucks are a little shy of ridiculous, and this title runs the same BS. They need to figure out how they are going to pay for shit before they mess with cars.

No, no. They will charge a carbon tax to those that want black cars to help pay into the budget.

LMFAO

yeah it's a little nutty to limit car colors, but lets keep this in perspective. california's smog control programs have reduced smog levels immensely over the last few decades.

http://www.aqmd.gov/smog/histsmog.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Pollution.jpg

hmmm... black car.... black lung... hard choice.

lol....I knew I'd see you in here Y8s!!

and just think what CARB passes eventually the whole US will adopt. The Feds and O are already looking to CA as a role model for the whole US. :D

Without a doubt, very true.

The LA basin always has and always will look like that. With or without black cars.

This is why I love State's Rights.

Next they'll say they want to control your homes thermostats......

what about black people?

I keep forgetting i DO need one of those digital programmable ones.

lol because they use up more air? :giggle:

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Black people tend to not require the use of A/C, therefore, they emit no threatening emissions.

I love you man.

Funny you mentioned that,where I live,the fucked up greedy government implemented a "carbon tax" a few years ago.

It's one of the biggest scam taxes ever,but it's nowhere near as fucked up as California.

Opposites attract you know. :makeout: lol

Ah California. Just another reason in the long list of why I would NEVER live there.

Just build some big fans to blow the smog northeast into Las Vegas, no one there would be sober enough to notice or care. Or maybe into the desert east around Phoenix.

I agree.
As far as the graph goes, how much of that is due to cleaner emissions cars in general, and not necessarily the CA emissions? I mean there how many cars were there in LA basin before catalytic converters were even installed on cars or emissions were even a concern? You may be seeing the effect of things being cleaner in general. Not necessarily from the CA standards, but from the car's being cleaner all the way around. The basin will always have smog, the main issue of the problem is where it situated.

If theyre so concern about the enviroment, getting rid of a/c would be of greater benefit, than making emphazis on certain colors of the cars. Besides a/c is over rated it only took me a couple of month to get use to not having it in my car. ;)

Jesus...no more wanting to live in Cali.

the jet stream blows east. actually it's the northeast US that has acid rain problems from the rest of the country's pollution...

Actually, it is just Cleveland and Pittsburg 's fault.

They are officially the armpit of America.

Yuk, that picture of LA is gross. It looks like that around here sometimes, unfortunately. I remember driving through a valley here and seeing brown clouds floating above the fields and shit.

We only get air stagnation warnings like twice a year though luckily. The jet stream keeps our smog moving east as someone else noted =P

Smog filled air grows hair on yur chest.

If they ban black cars are they going to pay to have all the black cars painted? Or is this just going to be a ban on new black cars?

You also save water because black cars need constant washing.

Have they proven the extra pollutants from utilizing an A/C more?

Have they concluded, in a scientific test, that people with black cars use the A/C more than any other color?

this would explain my 4" long nip hair.

Don't forget to also give proper credit to Detroit.

The red brick buildings in Cleveland are black with soot unless they are either new or have been pressure washed recently. Kinda depressing. And not related to the use of automotive air conditioning.

Cali is simultaneously the best place and the worst place to be a gearhead.

Acid rain is caused by all that smug blowing east. If they ban black/dark cars are they also banning...

1. Tar or dark roofing materials, shingles, tiles, etc.
2. Blacktop for roads/parking lots
3. Black car interiors
4. Dark exterior colors for house paint

Maybe CA politicians figure if they get the public in an uproar over little useless crap like this maybe the public will ignore the meaningful stuff, like the state being broke!

I can feel the loss of power when the A/C compressor kicks on, in the Miata, 4runner, and Saturn. Could be because they are all fairly gutless 4-cyls. But intuitively, if I have to open the throttle a bit more to maintain speed or accelerate at the same rate, then I am using more gas to travel the same distance.

First, there wouldn't be any consistency to that. My dad leaves the A/C on max almost all the time in his white car to get the interior temp down into the 60s, while I in my black vehicles use it enough to get things merely comfortable and then I dial it back.

Second, I would doubt the legitimacy of any "scientific testing" (if any) done by CARB because they are anything but a neutral party.

Compare that to Denver's measurements of tailpipe emissions. They've had a bit of a smog problem as well, and it's nowhere near as bad now as it was when I lived there in the early 90s. The CA graph shows days exceeding an arbitrary smog standard and the Denver one is actual emissions, but the comparison is valid if we're assuming that vehicles are the major cause of smog.
http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/2...ons-denver.gif
You'll note a remarkably similar downward trend, yet vehicles in Colorado are not subject to California regulations. One could therefore conclude that vehicles are generally cleaner across the board, and that stringency beyond the federal standards has very little to do with things being cleaner in CA or anywhere else today.

Despite CA's stringent standards, 5 of the top 10 most polluted cities in the country, and 16 of the top 25 most polluted counties in terms of particulates and ozone, are in California. That is recent data (2007/08) from the American Lung Association BTW. If you merely looked at CA's smog graph that ends at 1998 and extrapolated, you might assume that by now, 10+ years later, it would be a Utopia of cleanliness.

And since Vash's comment about the state controlling your thermostat flew mostly under the radar:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/11control.html
I linked to the NY Times version so the left-wingers will know it's true and unbiased. Every time I see something like that I laugh at CA and the sheeple who allow their govt to control them to that extent.

Hey... I live there! In northeast las vegas. We are actually starting to have more smog here becuase this city is blowing up, but it's doesnt last but a week or so before the winds blow it all out of the valley anyways.

It would be awesome if CA just earthquaked itself off the map.

it would be awesome if you stuck two cocks in your mouth.

also:

Black is back for California drivers (actually, it never left) | Up to Speed | Los Angeles Times

Yeah, that would be pretty awesome.

The most foolish part of the story is the lack of understanding by the pollution control fanatics of the basic design of automotive air conditioning systems. Auto A/C compressors are always cycling on and off, but when your car is cooler inside, you are mixing hot air from the heater core to moderate the temperature. So you are cooling the air at the maximum capacity to do so, and then adding a little heat back into it.

In a house, by comparison, you only blow cooled air and then shut off airflow until additional cooling is needed. No mixing occurs.

With the home system, reduced cycling will show benefits in reduced energy usage, but until fundamental changes occur in the design of auto A/C systems, you can't fix it by making a more reflective car.

The policy makers are simply ignorant.

I guess the size of the car interior isn't enough thermal mass to maintain a constant enough temperature.

as a crazy environmentalist liberal type, even I know when something is not a significant enough contribution to the greater good to warrant restricting the choice of a color of your car.

it's like this newsletter my gf got that said not to wet your toothbrush before brushing your teeth to save a teaspoon of water. what the fuck. how about I just drink 7.75 cups of water a day instead of 8?

Is Cheryl Crow still only using one square of toilet paper these days?

An overwhelming majority of the public doesn't know anything about HVAC systems at all, other than they make the car cool. Some of them seem not to understand basic heat exchange - like every time I've gotten into someone else's burning hot car on a summer day and they leave the windows up and crank the AC, waiting in agony for it to get to work cooling the car. Why not leave the windows down until some of the edge's been taken off?