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hustler 05-01-2007 09:51 PM

dieting could be the the most agonizing human experience
 
Seriously, my stomach is eating itself. 1100 calories is not much food.

cjernigan 05-01-2007 09:53 PM

Trying to add lightness to the car can be done other ways.
Living in hotels for long periods of time probably leaves you with a pretty crappy diet eh?
I think the taco bell i had for lunch was around 1100 calories in itself. I'm trying to gain weight. 6'3 and 170 lbs isn't anything to brag about.

hustler 05-01-2007 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by cjernigan (Post 108337)
Trying to add lightness to the car can be done other ways.
Living in hotels for long periods of time probably leaves you with a pretty crappy diet eh?
I think the taco bell i had for lunch was around 1100 calories in itself. I'm trying to gain weight. 6'3 and 170 lbs isn't anything to brag about.

nah, I stay at residence inns. That way I get stove and I can cook every meal. Do a clean bulk man, its so much better that way.

cjernigan 05-01-2007 10:04 PM

Clean bulk?
Does that mean no more gaining weight merely around the midsection? I haven't been working out at all this year for some reason, gaveup maybe, now I just eat and study.

hustler 05-01-2007 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by cjernigan (Post 108345)
Clean bulk?
Does that mean no more gaining weight merely around the midsection? I haven't been working out at all this year for some reason, gaveup maybe, now I just eat and study.

a clean bulk means you don't eat shit full of saturated fat and chemicals. Learn to cook, find a good workout regimin, and it will come together if you have the determination. I put on 51lb in 18 months of training (if you pull 6 months out for my injury rehab).

neogenesis2004 05-01-2007 10:24 PM

I have been unable to lose the 20lbs I put on after my motorcycle accident 2 years ago. I try to run but my knee just hurts too much, and then hurt more the next day. I have been to the weight room to strength train, but the pain just doesn't get any less after running. I don't like to just run to run, but it makes doing things like basketball, intermural flag football impossible to participate in. I think I need to go back to the doctor to get a cortisone shot. I haven't had one for over a year.

hustler 05-01-2007 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by neogenesis2004 (Post 108351)
I have been unable to lose the 20lbs I put on after my motorcycle accident 2 years ago. I try to run but my knee just hurts too much, and then hurt more the next day. I have been to the weight room to strength train, but the pain just doesn't get any less after running. I don't like to just run to run, but it makes doing things like basketball, intermural flag football impossible to participate in. I think I need to go back to the doctor to get a cortisone shot. I haven't had one for over a year.

www.activerelease.com

it works.

left field 05-01-2007 10:28 PM

i eat the opposite of clean bulk. been the same weight for ten years. the problem with working out is the work part. i get paid to do physical work any ways.

left field 05-01-2007 10:31 PM

if it hurts to run, then ride a bike. burns more cals anyways.

SamS 05-01-2007 10:47 PM

Elliptical machines are easier on the knees too.

I'm 5'10" and 135 myself with a fast metabolism. I eat whatever I want.

neogenesis2004 05-01-2007 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by left field (Post 108355)
if it hurts to run, then ride a bike. burns more cals anyways.

It really isn't about working out to lose weight man. Its the fact that I can longer play the competitive sports that I love. If I could, I'm sure I would return to my old weight and get rid of this spare tire.

SamS 05-01-2007 10:51 PM

Wheelchair basketball?

neogenesis2004 05-01-2007 10:53 PM

I can walk asshat :P

SamS 05-01-2007 10:54 PM

Maybe you'll win. :gay:

RicanmiataRacer 05-01-2007 10:54 PM

1100 calories a day, how the fuck are you living....thats no way to lose weight man, your body is going to switch into survival mode and start tearing at your lean mass before using your fat stores, and whatever you eat your body is going to do all it can to hold on to it, try 2,000 to 2,500 calories a day 50% proteins, 30% carbs,20% fats(healty fats,peanut butter,flaxseed,nuts(almonds,cashews,peanuts,walnu ts, etc), whole grain oats,breads,anything that has at least 3-4 grams of fiber.... I could go on and on. but from expirence I know alot

hustler 05-01-2007 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by SamS (Post 108362)
Wheelchair basketball?

bwahahahahahaha

hustler 05-01-2007 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by RicanmiataRacer (Post 108365)
1100 calories a day, how the fuck are you living....thats no way to lose weight man, your body is going to switch into survival mode and start tearing at your lean mass before using your fat stores, and whatever you eat your body is going to do all it can to hold on to it, try 2,000 to 2,500 calories a day 50% proteins, 30% carbs,20% fats(healty fats,peanut butter,flaxseed,nuts(almonds,cashews,peanuts,walnu ts, etc), whole grain oats,breads,anything that has at least 3-4 grams of fiber.... I could go on and on. but from expirence I know alot

I'm carb cycling too.

RicanmiataRacer 05-01-2007 11:04 PM

but dropping your calories to that extent is'nt going to get you far, when cutting you should only cut out 500 calories out of your daily reqiurement , depending on your activity level,age,height,current lean mass to weight ratio, I think you may be going a little extreme

y8s 05-01-2007 11:12 PM


Originally Posted by SamS (Post 108358)
Elliptical machines are easier on the knees too.

I'm 5'10" and 135 myself with a fast metabolism. I eat whatever I want.

how old tho

SamS 05-01-2007 11:22 PM

only 19, I'm sure it'll catch up to me in the future

miatamania 05-02-2007 12:22 AM

1100 Calories...wtf?

Man when I was running cross country two years ago I was eating upwards of 6000 a DAY and loosing weight. I was 5'8" 117lbs....I ran three times a day and lifted...I could bench like 160 (lol) and full squat almost 400, my back couldn't hold much else...

I prolly still eat 3000....lol I'm 5'8 130...and lazy...

I miss being in shape.

rmcelwee 05-02-2007 12:40 AM

I've gained every bit of this back PLUS an extra 5 pounds. I attribute it to drinking liquor every day...


http://www.lightweightmiata.com/ultimate/ultimate.htm

miatamania 05-02-2007 12:51 AM


Originally Posted by rmcelwee (Post 108425)
I've gained every bit of this back PLUS an extra 5 pounds. I attribute it to drinking liquor every day...


http://www.lightweightmiata.com/ultimate/ultimate.htm

Better get your ass back to the gym...:vash:

Kelly 05-02-2007 12:55 AM

Did the wife get mad you put it all back on? The father of a buddy of mine lost about 100 lbs and now I think his wife just wants to ride him all day long:eek:

I gotta get in shape for my wedding coming up.....

rmcelwee 05-02-2007 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by Wideopentuning (Post 108429)
Did the wife get mad you put it all back on? .....

Part of the problem is my wife is about the best cook in the world. It is so hard keeping weight off around here - plus all the booze takes a big toll on my weight.

kotomile 05-02-2007 03:59 AM

I though Kuwait was going to make it easy to lose weight, but everything in the DFAC (free chow hall for soldiers) seems to be fried or some kind of simple carb like pasta or rice. Doesn't help that right after I got here my appendix popped and I had to have an appendectomy and the following bedrest/no lifting/no situps profile.

As soon as I'm able though I'm hitting the gym. Before I joined the Army, I had just gone from 235 to 184 pounds (5'11"). I just ate relatively clean and did a LOT of trail bike riding.

EDIT - I can also vouch for not limiting your calorie intake and doing lots of exercise. I must've been eating 4k plus calories a day when I lost the aforementioned 51 pounds, but I burned so many it didn't matter.

TurboTim 05-02-2007 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Wideopentuning (Post 108429)
Did the wife get mad you put it all back on? The father of a buddy of mine lost about 100 lbs and now I think his wife just wants to ride him all day long:eek:

I gotta get in shape for my wedding coming up.....


Ahh congrats. I tried to do the same for mine, didn't work. There tends to be a bunch of shit to do those last few months before the day, then you don't want to do anything for a while afterwards. I'm still +20lbs than when I graduated college 5yrs ago :(

magnamx-5 05-02-2007 08:37 AM

damn i only average about 10 lbs a year but i wasn't going for mass just strenght. nice job hustler. :bigtu:

Newbsauce 05-02-2007 08:59 AM

The best way to lose weight is NOT a drastic cut in calories. Your body will turn to eating the next available source of energy (aka any muscle you have). You need to cut calories alot slower. Use a BMR calculator and find out your daily caloric intake and reduce it by 200 a day while eating healthier natural foods. A good resource for weight loss/gain is bodybuilding.com. When I was personal training I used alot of information from there.

As far as brian (neogenesis), I would recommend using a high repetition weight lifting regiment. You should be able to get a cardio workout out of weightlifting in it self in conjunction with walking. For example, you would do 3 sets of 20-30 reps at lower weights with less break (30 curls, 30 triceps dips/extensions, break, reset). I personally use walking as a method of trimming, as do most body builders. Running generally will put you in a muscle burning state after awhile, so in order to burn fat and not muscle its easier to monitor your heart rate while walking. The best "seat of your pants" pace indicator is you should just BARELY be breaking a sweat.

Hope this helps, and now I know what SpamNavy's posts look like!

y8s 05-02-2007 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by SamS (Post 108392)
only 19, I'm sure it'll catch up to me in the future

dood. I put on 40 lbs in college. no joke. of course 145 lbs at 6' tall isn't exactly ideal, so I'm not too upset about it.

and Robert: tell your wife to cook healthier food. a good cook can make anything taste awesome. GRILL GRILL GRILL!

Braineack 05-02-2007 09:53 AM

at least I'm not the only fatty here :gay:

hustler 05-02-2007 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by Newbsauce (Post 108484)
The best way to lose weight is NOT a drastic cut in calories. Your body will turn to eating the next available source of energy (aka any muscle you have). You need to cut calories alot slower. Use a BMR calculator and find out your daily caloric intake and reduce it by 200 a day while eating healthier natural foods. A good resource for weight loss/gain is bodybuilding.com. When I was personal training I used alot of information from there.

As far as brian (neogenesis), I would recommend using a high repetition weight lifting regiment. You should be able to get a cardio workout out of weightlifting in it self in conjunction with walking. For example, you would do 3 sets of 20-30 reps at lower weights with less break (30 curls, 30 triceps dips/extensions, break, reset). I personally use walking as a method of trimming, as do most body builders. Running generally will put you in a muscle burning state after awhile, so in order to burn fat and not muscle its easier to monitor your heart rate while walking. The best "seat of your pants" pace indicator is you should just BARELY be breaking a sweat.

Hope this helps, and now I know what SpamNavy's posts look like!

meh, I'm lifting big weight in 5x5 super sets, then doing 3 10 minute sessions of HIIT running. I also eat all carbs in the morning, some fruit and tuna or chicken at lunch, then one chicken breast at dinner. I only plan on cutting for 1 month, then bulking again.

PAT! 05-02-2007 04:09 PM

What does your bulking diet look like? I've only ever been able to cut... in my younger days I was stable at 140 pounds eating ~4000 calories a day, I could drop 4-6 pounds a week by dropping my intake down to that 1000 a day range. Now that my metabolism hit a wall and I'm no longer working the ridiculous 12-36 hour shifts I can only manage about 2 pounds a week. Never really noticed a loss in lean mass either. I'm sure that it was there but it was far outstripped by the fat loss.

I'm trying to bulk now but I think I'm gaining too much fat with the muscle...

hustler 05-02-2007 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by PAT! (Post 108636)
What does your bulking diet look like? I've only ever been able to cut... in my younger days I was stable at 140 pounds eating ~4000 calories a day, I could drop 4-6 pounds a week by dropping my intake down to that 1000 a day range. Now that my metabolism hit a wall and I'm no longer working the ridiculous 12-36 hour shifts I can only manage about 2 pounds a week. Never really noticed a loss in lean mass either. I'm sure that it was there but it was far outstripped by the fat loss.

I'm trying to bulk now but I think I'm gaining too much fat with the muscle...

When bulking I work a 5x5 super set, focusing increasing weight weekly. I eat clean, with complex carbs in the am and lunch, then eat lots of protein at dinner. I eat a protein snack between which is a total of 1 can of tuna with coctail sauce on wheat crackers, or a salad with olive oil and vinegar. I total 4500cals per day on that diet, and it works well if I stay clean.

I do eat fattening foods when I go out to dinner, but only in small portions.

cjernigan 05-02-2007 04:24 PM

Man all this carb loading and protein snacking makes me want to go to McDonalds.

jwarriner 05-02-2007 04:54 PM

Here are some facts about diet and excersize that I have learned:

1) Fat people know the most, they are experts at losing weight. Unfortunatley they are also really awesome at gaining weight back.

2) Losing weight isn't everything. Look at Jarod from Subway. I bet he thought eating 1000 calories a day was going to get him laid; but look at him, he's a douche and he's still ugly.

3) Common sense is the only way to lose weight, there's no tricks, miracle diets, crash diets, pills, 8-minute a day workouts or new research that will beat common sense.

4) Dieting doesn't work. You have to permanently alter your lifestyle. Dieting is a temporary solution. Diets can invoke immediate change but you were fat for a reason and if you don't find out what that reason is, and fix it permanently, you'll be fat again.

5) There is no easy way out. If it sounds too good to be true it is, or it's temporary.

I am 5'10 and 230lbs so I know the pain of not having a magazine body. I know what I have to do to lose weight but I don't have the desire, I guess, to do it now and keeping it off has always alluded me as it requires so much effort/misery. I have a hot girlfriend though, because, for lack of a more precise way to put it, I'm an asshole. I think a lot of people want to change their bodies for the opposite sex. But you know, plenty of people with good bodies have no luck in that department. So if you're having issues there then it might be your attitude that needs a change rather than your body.

hustler 05-02-2007 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by jwarriner (Post 108672)
I am 5'10 and 230lbs so I know the pain of not having a magazine body. I know what I have to do to lose weight but I don't have the desire, I guess, to do it now and keeping it off has always alluded me as it requires so much effort/misery. I have a hot girlfriend though, because, for lack of a more precise way to put it, I'm an asshole. I think a lot of people want to change their bodies for the opposite sex. But you know, plenty of people with good bodies have no luck in that department. So if you're having issues there then it might be your attitude that needs a change rather than your body.

I use my money for women...I pump zee iron for me.

tylerdurden 05-02-2007 08:45 PM

To all the people who think that's too little calories, there are people who live on that much and are in fact very healthy. Severely calorie restricted diets (in the 1000-1300 range) correlate with a longer life span, fewer degenerative diseases and a much lower incidence of cancer. It's a pain in the ass to do it right though, since you have to lower your intake gradually and use supplements.

PAT! 05-02-2007 08:56 PM

Lol. A diet is what you eat. Period. Dieting = eating. People that forget that are destined to fail to meet the goals that they set for themselves physically.

hustler 05-02-2007 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by PAT! (Post 108764)
Lol. A diet is what you eat. Period. Dieting = eating. People that forget that are destined to fail to meet the goals that they set for themselves physically.

If I said "cutting sucks" people would think I was all emo and shit.

SamS 05-02-2007 09:14 PM

Then you'd be saying "Cutting makes me feel good":bigtu:

hustler 05-02-2007 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by SamS (Post 108771)
Then you'd be saying "Cutting makes me feel good":bigtu:

Lets listen to my new dashboard confession album, and cry.

SamS 05-02-2007 09:31 PM

No way, fattie.

Philip 05-02-2007 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 108335)
Seriously, my stomach is eating itself. 1100 calories is not much food.

STFU fatty

Philip 05-02-2007 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by jwarriner (Post 108672)
Here are some facts about diet and excersize that I have learned:

1) Fat people know the most, they are experts at losing weight. Unfortunatley they are also really awesome at gaining weight back.

2) Losing weight isn't everything. Look at Jarod from Subway. I bet he thought eating 1000 calories a day was going to get him laid; but look at him, he's a douche and he's still ugly.

3) Common sense is the only way to lose weight, there's no tricks, miracle diets, crash diets, pills, 8-minute a day workouts or new research that will beat common sense.

4) Dieting doesn't work. You have to permanently alter your lifestyle. Dieting is a temporary solution. Diets can invoke immediate change but you were fat for a reason and if you don't find out what that reason is, and fix it permanently, you'll be fat again.

5) There is no easy way out. If it sounds too good to be true it is, or it's temporary.

I am 5'10 and 230lbs so I know the pain of not having a magazine body. I know what I have to do to lose weight but I don't have the desire, I guess, to do it now and keeping it off has always alluded me as it requires so much effort/misery. I have a hot girlfriend though, because, for lack of a more precise way to put it, I'm an asshole. I think a lot of people want to change their bodies for the opposite sex. But you know, plenty of people with good bodies have no luck in that department. So if you're having issues there then it might be your attitude that needs a change rather than your body.

does she have a sister?


Can I fuck either of them?

savior 05-03-2007 12:10 AM

when you are hungry, drink water

hustler 05-03-2007 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by savior (Post 108864)
when you are hungry, drink water

:werd:

chuckerants 05-03-2007 11:41 AM

I was never a fan of "dieting". Eating right, definitely.

I rather work out and eat whatever the hell I want and drink beer. So, with that in mind, I went back to Brazilian JJ after years of not training. Damn, am I sore.

VRTSid 05-03-2007 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by rmcelwee (Post 108425)
I've gained every bit of this back PLUS an extra 5 pounds. I attribute it to drinking liquor every day...


http://www.lightweightmiata.com/ultimate/ultimate.htm

man your my inspiration! wtf, never meet your heroes kids. lol

PAT! 05-03-2007 01:46 PM

Cool, thanks for the info.


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 108642)
When bulking I work a 5x5 super set, focusing increasing weight weekly. I eat clean, with complex carbs in the am and lunch, then eat lots of protein at dinner. I eat a protein snack between which is a total of 1 can of tuna with coctail sauce on wheat crackers, or a salad with olive oil and vinegar. I total 4500cals per day on that diet, and it works well if I stay clean.

I do eat fattening foods when I go out to dinner, but only in small portions.


PAT! 05-03-2007 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by savior (Post 108864)
when you are hungry, drink water

Word. I do 100 push ups, or something similar, before I allow myself to eat junk food.

kotomile 05-03-2007 02:21 PM

I like doing pushups in pyramids over the course of an hour or so. Start @ 20, then rest a few minutes, do 19, rest, the 18, etc.

Do that all the way down to 1 and its 210 pushups! I've only managed 60 pushups in 2 minutes on a PT test so far, hoping to max for my age group (75) sometime before I ETS.

PAT! 05-03-2007 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 109066)
I like doing pushups in pyramids over the course of an hour or so. Start @ 20, then rest a few minutes, do 19, rest, the 18, etc.

Do that all the way down to 1 and its 210 pushups! I've only managed 60 pushups in 2 minutes on a PT test so far, hoping to max for my age group (75) sometime before I ETS.

Max of 75 push ups or 75 years old for the age group?

Markp 05-03-2007 09:34 PM

Don't remind me, I have to cut about 20 Lbs before summer to make my splash into the Navy. I am within standards when they actually measure me for bodyfat (hanging in there at 21%) but I would prefer to drop the 20 Lbs and just be safe. It will make running that crushing 10 min mile easier too... lol. I remember when I could run a mile in 6 mins... now I struggle to do it in 10!

Need 44 situps, 34 pushups and run in 14:30 for a 1.5 sprint. Damn I am getting old.

Mark

PS - Pushup Max of 75 is for men in the 35-39 age group... my age group the max is at 72.

Ben 05-03-2007 10:19 PM

I used to bang out the mile in just over 5 minutes, and the 800M (half mile) in 1:45. I'd still be fresh as a daisy after too.

Now, I can't even run... though I am getting close.

guitarrc6 05-09-2007 12:48 AM

what do you guys do to motivate youself? everything i tried doesn't work out so well. doesn't help that i'm in college and drink like 4 nights out of the week, but hey its light beer, anyways i've tried dieting and excersising and it works good for a while but then i just get these binges where i eat whatever i want or i just don't want to go outside, or when i do i do activities that don't take a lot of energy, like fishing. at the beginning of the semester i was rock climbing 3 times a week, running 3 times a week, walking 2 miles every day, and eating healthy, umm now i think i went rock climbing last week, i drive to school instead of walk, and i can't find my left running shoe. so to sum upagain how do you stay motivated?

hustler 05-09-2007 12:54 AM


Originally Posted by guitarrc6 (Post 110969)
what do you guys do to motivate youself? everything i tried doesn't work out so well. doesn't help that i'm in college and drink like 4 nights out of the week, but hey its light beer, anyways i've tried dieting and excersising and it works good for a while but then i just get these binges where i eat whatever i want or i just don't want to go outside, or when i do i do activities that don't take a lot of energy, like fishing. at the beginning of the semester i was rock climbing 3 times a week, running 3 times a week, walking 2 miles every day, and eating healthy, umm now i think i went rock climbing last week, i drive to school instead of walk, and i can't find my left running shoe. so to sum upagain how do you stay motivated?

You can't drink and gain lean body mass, or lose weight. Either you want it, or you don't.


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