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German car nuts are the most annoying car owners
First off, I don't like German cars. At all. Here's my rant from another forum:
Sure, they feels more solid than a Chevy Malibpoo, or a Pontiac Gland Pee, or even a Ford Exploder, but in every other aspect, they're crap. And yet their owners still think they're TeH BNesT inteh WORLDS!!!!1! In the past week, this is what's happened to my A6 2.7t. 1. The inside of the drivers side door is fucked. The locks don't work, the keyhold doesn't work, and I can't even manually push down the lock. The first day this happened I had to crawl in through the trunk. 2. The car got stuck at WOT. Out of the blue, I floored it to merge, didn't come back up. I was on the hard shoulder, and it scared the piss out of me. 3. The passanger side door fucked itself aswell. I opened it this morning, and it wouldn't close. Not one bit, it would go all the way in and even turn off the interior light, but it wouldn't latch. I had to drive in with the door held closed with bungee cords. 4. The washer bottle exploded. The car now beeps at me EVERY FUCKING 3 MILES. And it's not just a suttle ding, it's like a fucking smoke detector going off in the car. 5. TCS/ABS arbitrarily stopped working. No warning at all, it just stopped. I didn't notice for a while since I drive with the TCS off anyways, but when I tried to turn it on it wouldn't. Restarting the car resulted in it being on for a couple of miles, but then turning off again. 6. The manifold blew a hole. Sounds funny now. If I'm honest though, this happened a while ago. 7. The brake lights are stuck on. Even now, with the car off and the lights off, the lights are still on, draining the battery as we speak. And over the past month, it's developed some horrible vibration, it's gas mileage dropped from around 22 to 19mpg, part of the fender just fell off, and it started rattling somewhere. It's the same deal with my mom's car (TT 3.2 quattro (though not really a quattro system 'cause the TT wasn't worthy, since it's gay, slow, heavy, ugly, and automatic)). It's at 45k miles, and it just got a new transmission and whole fucking wiring harness. Luckily this one is still under warentee. Fucking horrible car. My sister's E-class (98 W210 E430) just needed 6,xxx dollars worth of service in the last year alone. Mind you, it's at 161k miles. Shit like the heater core, the diff exploding, the belt tensioners, the window regulators, the blah blah blah... Fuck, these cars just fall apart. German quality my fucking ass. And they're all dull to drive, every single one of them. Oh, and if you're wondering, the A6 that had all those problems in ONE FUCKING WEEK only has 80-some thousand miles on it. God damn, fuckin' imbeciles. And for the record: The people who own these cars (Mother, father, sister) service them religiously. They go in at every beep, squeak and ding. Every service interval and then some. |
Give us the link, Twat.
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Exactly why I won't own an Audi unless it's under warranty. A friend has an '01 S4 and the thing has had so much go wrong he can't even remember all of it.
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Audi :ne: all German cars!!!!
I'm living in Germany right now and Bimmers are everywhere and CHEAP. I vowed I would never own one, but guess what...when I got here I picked up a '90 525I with 350K+ KM's on it and haven't done shit to it but beat the hell out of it and change the oil since I got it. I regularly drive the think at 200KPH on the autobahn and it's the most stable car I've ever been in, rock solid doesn't feel like you're doing ~125mph in the least. I'll never try to build a BMW for track duty but as a daily driver this thing is a beast, I love to say I hate the damn thing but to be honest I couldn't tell you of a single problem I really have with it. Cheap-o bottom line Audis are not a good representative of German engineering, PERIOD. |
I currently hate my Audi A4 as well... Fucking cam chain tensioner wore out instantly and jumped timing. Interference engine FTL. Looking at between $1200-$5000 to fix it. FML
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The relationship b/t me and my Audi is Love/Hate.
There's a price to pay for being SO damn sexy... BTW, NEW Audis (last 4-5 years) are very much reliable. |
My little brother is a big VW guy and I get a good laugh at least once a month when something breaks and it costs 10X what it would cost me to fix it.
They also worship raceland products ($200 coilovers) then wonder why they can't take corners like they used to. |
E30 BMWs are some of the most reliable cars out there. I mean reliable as in you dont even have to be up on the maintenance and they dont break. I'm pretty sure every BMW from that era is the same way.
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Originally Posted by wayne_curr
(Post 593564)
E30 BMWs are some of the most reliable cars out there. I mean reliable as in you dont even have to be up on the maintenance and they dont break. I'm pretty sure every BMW from that era is the same way.
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I'm a german car owner (07 VW GTI with 21k) and I'm only bitching because of a denied warranty claim.
Since we've owned the car (purchased in Feb 2010): headlight switch cracked and stopped functioning (replaced under warranty) lumbar adjustment knob broke and would no longer stay on seat (replaced under warranty) underhood insulation too small and fell on engine (replaced under warranty) water pump failed (replaced under warranty) AC compressor locked up and burned up serpentine belt (replaced under warranty) rear cargo cover mismade and would not stay in place (replaced under warranty) and now, passenger side motor mount bolt broken and warranty claim is denied due to aftermarket suspension So yeah, I'm one of those bitchin' about German cars. Hell, we've only had to change the oil on it twice since we've owned it. |
Lolz, all that in 4 months^^?!
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I have had several German cars and BMW is by FAR the best of the bunch. I have seen plenty of 200,000 mile examples that still look and function great. Audi's I can't say the same for.
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I just bought a '00 VW Golf 2.0L 5 spd base model with crank windows and manual mirrors. It will get great gas mileage and be reliable as hell. It has a german VIN too so no Mexican BS for me.
It's been a top notch car thus far, glad to have it as a daily. I would own a B5 Audi A4 1.8T anyday. Or a '09+ VW GTI with the TSI engine, they're bullet proof and I love them. |
E30's are the only german cars I would feel comfortable with using as a daily driver. My buddy Josh has beat the ever living piss out of his 2 E30's (Both 400+whp on stock motors) and are both running strong. Everything in the enterior still works too(lights, electric windows,etc..).
However, my other friends(fag1 and fag2) are both in love with their 1.8t gti's. Sure, they are both fast and handle decent....but that is about it. Fag1's car just decided to have it's sunroof motor fail. It decided that it would close all the way and then open back up 2 minutes later and let the rain play with his new alcantara suede interior. That is just the most recent of his blunders. There are plenty more that. Don't get me started on the air injection pump systems :facepalm: what a waste of time. Fag2's car is just a big black bucket of poop. It likes to stop running right in the middle of the road and not start back up. It also likes to make the dash lights flicker and the stereo now work at all. Driving at night with no lights FTW! Also I got a nice phone call today from Fag2, he was crying to me that his car is now sputtering and shaking horribly. What to do? I have no idea, it's a fucking VW! Sure the miata is not as sexy looking or has the image around it as being a superior car. But atleast my shit runs every day and had zero problems:fawk: |
I would NEVER own an Audi or VW...But BMW - I've had 3 - and E30, E46(328i) and currently a 528i. The 2.8L inline 6 is a great engine, timing chain FTW! You've got to pick your model-some BMW have issues but the models I've owned have all been rock solid.
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My dad had an 85 diesel non turbo jetta, and that damn thing was dead nuts reliable. It had 350k and was still ticking when we sold it for 750 dollars. I had an E30 for a while, my brother nuked the engine by shifting to second at 80. But before that, it was fantastic. One of my freinds had a TT, complete shit bucket. Mercedes owners are dicks, and think your car is a piece of shit for not being german, or a mercedes, so they can go fuck themselves.
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This fuck German cars topic comes up like once a month. Jizz in your pants to the sound of an Audi I5. I want one!
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I miss my E30....shit was simple. The thing that bothers me most about German cars is how much shit you have to take off to do ANYTHING.
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Knock on wood, still no problems with my '10 Jetta TDi wagon. Just clicked over 10k miles and had the first oil change.
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Thanks for the laugh guys as a long time german car owner, the vw and audi's have their quirks. The electronics always seem to have something broken, and it's usually expensive to fix. It only gets worse as the fill the car with more high tech crap.
Best one I've owned is a VW TDI. It doesn't have any electric options to break, and is more reliable than others I've owned. To the original poster those audi 2.7t's are probably the most difficult cars to work on other than the Mitsu 3000GT vr4. |
Originally Posted by vw_nut
(Post 593849)
Thanks for the laugh guys as a long time german car owner, the vw and audi's have their quirks. The electronics always seem to have something broken, and it's usually expensive to fix. It only gets worse as the fill the car with more high tech crap.
Best one I've owned is a VW TDI. It doesn't have any electric options to break, and is more reliable than others I've owned. To the original poster those audi 2.7t's are probably the most difficult cars to work on other than the Mitsu 3000GT vr4. |
Somehow my friend managed to daily drive a 3gt vr4 for 5 years. I don't know how, but he managed. EVERYTHING is a PITA to fix on these and its power and awd is lost with it's 4,000 lb curb weight.
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I have a 193k mile E36. It's a good looking, well-packaged, utter POS with awesome steering, linear handling and decent brakes. The paint is keyed and rock chipped, but original and on top of perfectly straight metal. Never been hit. As long as I keep my expectations really low, it's pretty satisfying. It costs $36/month to keep. Add about $.05/mile for maintenance plus gas. But that's because I do all the work myself and get parts at about 50-off. I've done enough on it now that I have all the special tools and take about book time to do most jobs.
As race cars, the fundamental chassis goodness of BMWs, combined with the fact that everything is going to be running against appropriate competition, makes them pretty good. The ridiculous required maintenance and reliability fixes blend into the massive amount of work it takes to build and prep a proper race car, so you almost don't notice. Getting rid of the interior and luxury items eliminates a bunch of the standard problem areas, too. As street cars, they will from time to time torture you. And the "maintenance" that's required isn't really maintenance. It's replacing stuff that should last a really long time at regular intervals to keep it from stranding you or causing very expensive collateral damage when it inevitably fails prematurely. Every part of the cooling system, in particular, is a fucking joke. I have a long list of examples of completely lame design details. And if you work on it yourself, you will constantly curse the a-holes who designed it without ever having worked on a car before. Superior German engineering is a crock. As high-performance, dual-purpose street/track cars, BMWs are retarded. Expensive, every upgrade is 50 percent German-car tax, fragile, liable to self-destruct in eight different ways, and not really all that fast. I keep mine for Camry duty, because life is too long to drive a Camry. The things it does well, the Miata will never do. The things the Miata does well, the BMW will never do. |
It seems there's a love of Bimmers here, which, coincidentally, is the only German brand of car I'd even consider owning (E30, E28 or E36)
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I dunno. Meg's mini cooper (bmw built) does flakey shit all the time. Weird electrical shit...I can tolerate mechanical stuff but electrical grimlins stress me out. I don't like not being sure the window will go up if I lower it, etc.
But my bone stock old man driven subaru ate an exhaust valve at 85k miles. So far the miata is the only car that hasn't done anything silly and it's the most f'ed with. |
Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 594083)
I have a 193k mile E36. It's a good looking, well-packaged, utter POS with awesome steering, linear handling and decent brakes. The paint is keyed and rock chipped, but original and on top of perfectly straight metal. Never been hit. As long as I keep my expectations really low, it's pretty satisfying. It costs $36/month to keep. Add about $.05/mile for maintenance plus gas. But that's because I do all the work myself and get parts at about 50-off. I've done enough on it now that I have all the special tools and take about book time to do most jobs.
As race cars, the fundamental chassis goodness of BMWs, combined with the fact that everything is going to be running against appropriate competition, makes them pretty good. The ridiculous required maintenance and reliability fixes blend into the massive amount of work it takes to build and prep a proper race car, so you almost don't notice. Getting rid of the interior and luxury items eliminates a bunch of the standard problem areas, too. As street cars, they will from time to time torture you. And the "maintenance" that's required isn't really maintenance. It's replacing stuff that should last a really long time at regular intervals to keep it from stranding you or causing very expensive collateral damage when it inevitably fails prematurely. Every part of the cooling system, in particular, is a fucking joke. I have a long list of examples of completely lame design details. And if you work on it yourself, you will constantly curse the a-holes who designed it without ever having worked on a car before. Superior German engineering is a crock. As high-performance, dual-purpose street/track cars, BMWs are retarded. Expensive, every upgrade is 50 percent German-car tax, fragile, liable to self-destruct in eight different ways, and not really all that fast. I keep mine for Camry duty, because life is too long to drive a Camry. The things it does well, the Miata will never do. The things the Miata does well, the BMW will never do. |
Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 594083)
And if you work on it yourself, you will constantly curse the a-holes who designed it without ever having worked on a car before. Superior German engineering is a crock.
I have an E36 myself. The design is a weird combination of "Why don't they just build it like everyone else?" and "Why doesn't everyone else build their cars that way?" For example, they put the oil filter right on the front of the engine where you can just pop the hood and unscrew it. On the other hand, it is a weird cartridge filter that tends to break O-rings if you don't torque it down just right, and costs twice as much as a spin on. It's like German engineers spend too much time thinking and not enough time doing. |
I'm not a "German car nut", but I do love my 04 a4 quattro. It's got almost 100k and I've owned it since 48k. The only real problem are the stupid coils which I have replaced randomly 3 times.
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Originally Posted by yellowihss
(Post 596232)
I'm not a "German car nut", but I do love my 04 a4 quattro. It's got almost 100k and I've owned it since 48k. The only real problem are the stupid coils which I have replaced randomly 3 times.
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I carry two at all times, and my scanner to figure out which one. The only good thing is it takes as long to replace them as it does to pop the hood.
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But you have to pop your hood to replace them... I don't understand your logic??? Haha I kid, I kid.
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i owned a '99 528i.. it was a great car. had its fair share of little issues but nothing major, and it was really a very nice driving / handling car, especially considering the price!
i sold it because the seat hurt my back but now it seems like it was my couch's fault all along (so i'm a little sad). |
Just an update on my car... Got it back Friday. $2300 later, it drives nice. Moar boost to follow soon.
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Originally Posted by jbrown7815
(Post 593548)
BTW, NEW Audis (last 4-5 years) are very much reliable.
But Ive got a buddy with a new A4 and it seems to be pretty brilliant, and lacking in any problems |
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