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revlimiter

freedomgli?
revlimiter.

freedomgli != revlimiter

Good to know how easy it is to get under your skin though. :fawk:

^^^^ fag

Oh Jeebus...that's gonna bring a tear to the Hustler for sure.
More and more like m.net the few times I've been there lately.

Wow...I've read a lot of cr.net threads for some odd reason today, and revlimiter was earning respect from me as a decent mod over there.

Coming over here just to troll without an intro is pretty poor forum etiquette though.

Heh. Not trolling. I posted cause I was surprised that I a) had a user account here and b) was logged in on this browser. I was shocked.

I have a question for y'all MT folk. Not being prompted by other mods or CR or anything. I'm just honestly curious.

What's your problems with CR.net?

Post 'em up. Specifically with how the forum is run and stuff. I can't do anything about the sportmaxx kids. But I read things like "it's getting more like m.net every day" and I never see a follow up to that. Like... how?

Then buch of ricer, poser and idiots over there does it for me...

I'm not callin' anyone out in particular Rev - just seems that some of us get tired of the BS that comes with posting something worthwhile only to get flamed. M.net attitude is exactly what I think of. Just is. I don't get bent, for I know that the diversity from one to other spans atleast 3 generations and just goes to prove that this is a great example of history repeating itself. For there will be only one Hustler, that I am thankful for. ;)

Did you just suggest Emilio make chrome spinner 6ULS? :bowrofl:

you didn't really just ask for that did you?

Muslims: What is America's problem with the Muslim community?

America: Yer all dirty, murdering terrorists!

Muslims: What? You assholes! Jihad on you!

America: See!

You mean like how there are SIX HUNDRED replies to the Raceland coilover thread ($200 coil over for those who don't know what they are) and ZERO for a question about coil pack spark strength? That sometimes makes me a little crazy too.

Does oops2low post over here? There's only one of him too. I've missed reading his stuff.

For Real! lol! I figure it'll either be legendary or it'll get me kicked off the internet.

"That's mad JDM yoz!!!!" :giggle:

m.net = Whatever the sponsors say is right and any negative posts about sponsors will be deleted.
A prime example being fast forward superchargers with their bullshit power card that is apparently better than a real EMS due to its infinitely variable adjustment.
I dont really know if that is the case with CR, I made an account on there and posted like twice before I realised that there is no real tech talk, just JDM shit and fancy wheels. Makes me feel like Im on honda-tech.

clubroadster sucks because of all the fail and aids. It also sucks because its a bunch of kumbaya hand holding ------ry. I don't understand why some people take the internet personally, or who would NOT believe that I went into a Cambodian death camp unarmed, and secured the camp and its soldiers while feasting on human flesh and training a covert, foreign militia to neutralize threats to America, on a continent my great uncle Christopher Columbus discovered.

We do things a little differently. I see that you're on your 4th post and I have not seen a private message professing your heart to me. I work really hard to keep the place pure, related to turbonating and various topics of badassness, and I also provide e-protection to everyone here. I'm not the kind of guy you want to piss off. I've been through a few things in my life that I can't discuss here, just understand that if I told you, and you could resist killing yourself from the horror, you might have a little more respect for this forum and what we stand for. When was the last time you drank blood from a still-beating heart in a Mayan sacrifice? So please send me a private message with "The Lord Hustler's Prayer" professing your undying heterosexual lust for my leadership and intellectual supremacy, while respecting my heterosexuality, and I'll let you continue posting over here.

The FFS powercard is WAY better than a real EMS because it's also an intercooler. Stay in the loop, man! :giggle:


Please keep it coming. I'm learning some stuff here.

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Hustler check your pm.

Same shit,different pile,all you mods are the same,you all gotta follow tim's rules.

It's good to know this thread got under your skin,or else you would not be posting in it.

:fawk:

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Naw - I wouldn't throw that card. I'm actually following his build thread... "Back in the pile"!

I'm really not trying to troll. If it starts to get out of hand, I don't mind being banned. I wanna keep forum peace.

So Rev,when can we anticipate a Tougerun lip group buy over at cr.net?

Mmmmmmmmm. Towgayrun. *drool*

Oh I know.......

There lips are far more desireable than the real ones from GV.

I actually enjoy the silly posts. I do have a problem with the blind protection of your sponsor importing copied flares and then calling me a peepee head because I'd rather buy the American copies. I think it's ok to be an individual and the slammage dudes have their protected thread but when they venture out into open waters (rest of the forum) then it should be fair game to call them retards and such.

I do like that even the ricers get something right every once and a while and make something that could make the car faster. Just as a test so you can see the amount of douche on the board, I'm going to post a thread of real miata's that race...lets see what happens.

lol wtf

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Welcome to the family, you will spared in the clensing campaign.

I lol'd so hard writing that.

That WAS pretty clever.

:laugh: Think about this for a sec. 600+ replies to that Raceland thread. SIX. HUNDRED!!! I doubt very seriously that most of them will ever late apex or use a burnout box.

The popularity of those fucking racelands really drives me batshit.

Quit feeding him and get a room.



Hey I bought racelands because I had to get on track and the blown stock suspension wasn't happening, I traded them for Bilsteins but thats beside the point. I could care less about those, at least they are better than stock. I laugh at the 15x8 sportmaxx 0offset with a 185 tire, .5 inch off the ground, stance coilover with pieces taken off for the slam, cracked oilpans etc.

oops what happened?

My style with speed! - ClubRoadster.net

This is a benevolent dictatorship. If you don't like it Madame Guillotine can make a stop in Corpus for your insolent horse-shit heresy.

oops. I moved your thread. :laugh:

Quit protecting the ricers. You can ban zoom2zoom if you want.

WFT. This shit is hilarious.

yes, ban him.

if I had a nickel for every user I wanted to ban... it would be an empty forum and my couch would be way too heavy.

Who gives a shit, ban him anyway. He has contributed nothing useful to any forum and has made threats for absolutely no reason.

Heya all,

No need to introduce me as I did it years ago when I opened my account here.

I know there's a lot of hate about the flares reproduction and whatnot.

There's so many thing to discuss that I'll just start with what I think of and you can comment on shit I said.

First of all, you can say whatever you want against CR.net but guy open your fucking mind. There are turbo guys, there are supercharger guys, there are naturally aspirated guys. More "stance suspension and sportmax" guys hangs at CR.net. More 6UL guys hangs on there. Hey, it's just common sence not to arrive like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_29_shKT4El...artmanKKK1.jpg

at a black people reunion...

For the knock off part. You guys seem not to care at all. Why is TRUST going bankrupt ? Probably not because of people did knock off of all their lineup and now they don't have enough funds to do R&D anymore.

Let me show you some things that could just happen anytime soon if we continue like that. Harris stuff are going to get bought by a guy. That guy will send his parts to Mexico. Then they will come back at $100 less and that one guy will make money off Harris work (as I see he was making a hood). How would you feel about that ?

How about Emilio's 6UL being copied and sold for $380 a set shipped ? I'm sure that would affect the shit out of his business and he would probably not release any new wheels models as his money would have been gone to a guy in his basement that shipped one of his wheels to a Chineese factory.

Hey, I'm not telling anyone here how to act or react. I know many of you hates me because I sell JDM parts over expensive and make a million dollars off your asses. This is not the case... the parts are just expensive to begin with and they ship from the other side of the world.

Again, I'm not telling anyone how they should spend their hard earned cash. I know many of you can't justify spend $700 on a set of flares or $2000 on a set of wheels. Everyone has his budgets and chose if he wants the quality, the quantity or the exclusivity. No need to comment on that last sentence, people are like that, we're not communists.

Where I'm going at is GUYS, the industry is falling under counterfeit products and the new and hot parts are rare to come across. Instead of encouraging a guy that just bought a piece and made a mold of it, why don't you guys buy parts from people like Mike @ Autokonexion ? This guy is from USA, he works his ass off to develop JDM inspired parts and very original products. You don't have to wait neither. The quality is there AND you're helping the industry.

Oh well, I'm not a dictator, but guys, do whatever you want but instead of coping shit, just inspire yourself or improve the product. By improving the product I'm not talking about changing the material.

I know you guys will probably bitch the fuck out of this post, have fun doing it, I'll try to come back and read the replies. I don't have time to argue, so I'll just read your stuff.

From the guy that brings the cool shit to the US,

-Max

***EDIT*** God damn I'm a '06

***EDIT 2*** Please stop the false marketing advertisement. 6 months wait ??? Usually the part is in stock in Japan and arrives in 3 to 5 days at the customer's home. It's called air shipping.

Can I get a Job? Just kidding, but what's up though?

You know, it's not because I sell stuff that are expensive that I make more money. The guy that sells the cheap stuff that his cost is lower makes the money. Try to find who's got the best profit margin between the guy selling sportmaxes and the one selling volk racing wheels...

Oh well that's not the subject, so let's keep it on track.

IF you actually cared to READ the thread before posting...

You'd realize that the whole point is that rharris is making ZERO profit on those parts.

I can understand everyone getting uppity about someone just knocking off a part for profit. But you guys are going nuts without even knowing the back-story.

Robert (rharris19) does nothing more than do whatever he can to help out his Miata racing buddies. Recently that group has extended from his immediate friends to the guys on the forum as well, and that help has turned from picking up and storing cheap beaters for back-up track parts to making a few parts for the track crew AT COST.

The first part he made was a hood he developed similar to the Mini scoop several members had bolted to their hood. He fully integrated the scoop (I watched him smoothing it out by hand), and then made a 'glass copy.

Also note that this works out for him since he runs a fiberglass shop. He decided it would be a really good idea to make some parts we wanted in order to keep his guys in a job whenever things slowed down. Remember that we are in tough times and too many good people are losing their jobs. I know those 4 guys in his shop have families, and I commend his efforts to keep them busy. It's also kind of neat when you can combine your work and your hobby in a productive way.

I honestly have no problem with him making a copy of an overpriced flare as long as he's not looking to PROFIT. The folks that are buying them at this price would never even consider paying for the full priced ones, so what's the loss? He did the work it takes to ensure a decent fitting copy, and that's all he was asked to be compensated for.

As a character witness I'll say you won't find a more stand-up guy than Robert. I met him after a scammer sold us both the same parts, but only shipped them to one of us. He saw that I was in need and GAVE me the parts, taking the weight of the scam on himself.

Turned out after we met we went to the same school and had a lot in common. Every time I've gone down there to visit he's been nothing short of welcoming and helpful to myself and his other Miata buddies.

We're not talking about some shady knockoff king trying to make money on someone elses idea. We're talking about a guy trying to keep his employees busy by offering at-cost copies for his racing buddies. It's just a functional part you bolt onto your car, made affordable here in Texas.

STFU, faggette. No one gives a shit about your pathetic life or your ---- fissures.

and he may be dreadedred.

when you say dirty, you assume smelly as well right? If not you left it out.

I will buy the product that is the best value. Value contains two variables: price and suitability for the task.

Henry Ford didn't invent the automobile. In fact, there were many better cars on the road when he brought the Model T to the market. He didn't really make any design or engineering innovations in the Model T either. It was a very basic, stripped down copy of contemporary designs. He did, however, reduce the costs associated with construction of the automobile to less than one quarter that of his contemporaries. He knew there was a large, untapped demand for the product if the price could be reduced to a level that was more affordable for the common man. It was innovation in production, and not design, that allowed Ford to sell more cars than all other brands combined in the 1920s.

The free market pivots around value, whether perceived or real. If a product is as good or better for the same price, it will likely do well. If a product is lesser in quality but still good enough to function in its intended purpose (Chinachargers for instance), and the price is commensurately discounted, then it will likely be a commercial success.

In this free market economy you must either have a better value (quality vs. price) or better name recognition/customer loyalty/advertising. An example is Tylenol still sells reasonably well even though generic acetaminophen is far less expensive. Who paid for the R&D?

But the first rule of marketing is that the top selling company never refers to the one in second place. It does a few negative things when they do. It gives free publicity to the second product. It equivocates the products. It makes the representatives of the top product appear concerned that the second product is a better perceived value. The rule is that the makers of the top selling product should act publicly as though there are no others in existence. This is all college level marketing strategies and not "guy selling mail order parts from his basement" type stuff, but I think the axioms are no less pertinent.

Example of a great "knock off": My touge run lip had a run in with a large chunk of ice on Sunday driving up to Shuiend's house. Upon contact a loud smash could be heard, even my brother heard it in the truck he was driving behind me. In the rearview you could see that large chunk of ice had been turned into little ice cubes. Later when looking at the lip, it was completely unharmed. A normal GV lip would have completely fragged into a billion pieces and that iceburg on the road would be waiting for another sucker to run over it.

Touge run took a popular cosmetic design and innovated it by making it out of much stronger material that the original company has never saw fit to do. Innovation is something this country is built on. Even our patent system allows you to patent improvements to existing products owned by someone else.

Rharris youre a dick, why the fuck do you make quality parts at an affordable price?!?!? :vash:

Ps: Im still waiting for a reply from emilo on the chrome spinner 6uls

The thread I rightfully jocked was jocked from me. :ohnoes:

Hi Max!

It doesn't matter who you are, what you're selling, or how much pho you eat daily. If you start posting about group buys and crap over at cr.net without paying for sponsorship, they'll pull your shit.

get over it.

I can attest to this fact... This was from just snow on a GV Lip BTW. PICS!!!

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My last comment. I read the whole thread, don't worry. You just said it here, Ford made a STRIPPED DOWN COPY. He didn't make an exact replica of other's work and I give him props for this.

Look, I couldn't care less if the guy did a copy of it to just sell it for his friends and that would end there. But when I saw a guy claiming he was selling Tuckin99 flares on CR.net for $450 I thought it was the used price, no problem with that. When I found out it was a reproduction, I felt totally pissed off and now tell me who's the bad guy. I don't use other's item recognition to sell them and that's a very bad way to do business.

I don't want to be an asshole or anything, but if I was acting using the free market method, I would just open a factory in Mexico, wait for someone to develop part, copy it and sell it for cheaper 2 weeks later. Would you still buy the original's hard work or mine ?

You might say whatever you guys want about me, I'm a honest guy and do this for a passion.

hustler, I think that you are very pathetic and have 5 years old comportment. :loser:

neogenesis2004, please don't get started with the touge thing. Hey, everyone can take a current product and just change the material. Heck, I could even buy racing beat bumper and have it made the same material. The guy could at least have altered the design, that's what I'm saying. How about if I buy 6UL wheels, have them made cheaper, stronger and lighter somewhere else in the world, if I run over it using a hummer and test both side to side to prove my improved (other material) version is better ? Will you feel good buying a product from a guy that just copied Emilio's hard work, the work of a guy that helped the Miata industry a lot by bringing very nice products to the market ?

To everyone else, thanks for not starting bitching about me and kept it civilized, I wanted to explain my case and how I see what's happening.

As I said, it's en endless discussion.

Thanks,

-Max

I'd expect Emilio to fight back and adapt by either improving his own 6UL product, or concentrating his business in other areas. I certainly wouldn't expect people to continue paying more money for an inferior product just out of loyalty. This is competition, and it's how we get better and cheaper products. Nobody has a "right" to be in business, you are constantly fighting for every dollar you make.

I work in a 30+ year old independent bookstore. When Borders, Barnes and Noble, and Books-A-Million opened up all over the country, lots of independent bookstores just whined and begged their customers to not leave them. We changed our attitude and fought the chain stores in the areas we could win (customer service, out of print, signed and first edition books, etc).

So it's wrong to sell a copy of a copy, but not the first copy? LOL

I'm generally opposed to people selling cheap knock-off copies of parts, but in this particular case, rharris is reproducing something that to the best of my knowledge is no longer available new. This is not the same as a company selling cheap copies of HKS, Greddy, Tial, Garrett, etc. products that are still in current production by the original manufacturer.

I also support the production of the Touge Run front lip, which as demonstrated above, takes the original design and improves it through better construction material selection.

First, If anyone could do it I would expect the original company to improve their own design instead of making it out of the same material for years that breaks like glass. They chose not to do that so someone else did, I'm ok with that because I have a better product now.

Same thing goes for emilio. IF someone makes the same wheel or a better wheel that looks similar at a lower cost, I'll buy that. Thats the reality of business. Get over it. Like said above, I would expect emilio to fight back with another competitive product. From the little I know about him I doubt he would be on a forum complaining and being butt hurt like you are now. He would be in the shop innovating.

Tuckin99 needs to innovate if they want business. How about they make from flares out of a nice plastic like the touge run lip instead of fragile fiberglass. That would make RHarris's new alternative not as attractive.

This is you not thinking out of the box.
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Go ask Obama to pass a law to restrict the free market and innovation.

Holy shit dude...you know he would, chill the noise.

Also, too add....

I don't consider a superior product a knock off. A knock off by example is typically inferior in material and quality. The Touge Run lip is a better material and as good of quality as the GV lip. Therefore I do not view it as a knockoff.

I will buy whatever part that gets me going faster for the cheapest price. If there is a cheaper, stronger, lighter, all around better wheel out there, I will get it. This isn't a family; I'm on a strict budget and am not in the mood to spend an extra $500 for the same thing that has more "hard work and dedication" put into it. This is one reason the American auto industry is failing. Your argument is moot.

EDIT: I guess everyone beat me to it. I am a slow typer.

LOL, this really is my last comment. I am thinking out of the box. I am actually developping plenty of products in collaboration with japanese tuners, however, I am just afraid of releasing them and having them copied out of the box (and so they are).

As for a copy of a copy, that's not really true. I confirmed with Tuckin99 that they actually bought Mazda's molds & rights.

I am really done now, otherwise I'll just never get out of that thread.

Well if you develop a superior product at a competitive price you have nothing to worry about. Thats what emilio has done, and I think anyone would be hard pressed to get them made at a lower cost and still have the same quality. The fact is there is 0 reason the tuckin99 flares should cost $700. Those japanese tuners are basically creating an artificial lack of supply to drive up the price.

whatever, the ARO Chambered intake is proven balla' status and worthy of the price tag.

What good does all that thinking out of the box do if none of it is released? Nothing, unless it's only for yourself.

You're not getting the point. Or maybe I am not. Please correct me if so. Here is a list:

• There are 2 products
• One is cheaper, one is more expensive
• They both are the same product

So uhh...