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codrus 10-13-2016 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1367327)
Err. Oops. The 6.5l turbo diesel then. Idk saw one the other day at PIR.

If I was buying a GMT400 (late 90s), I'd probably look for the 454. The 6.5L detroit diesel only made like 150 hp.

The GMT800 Suburbans came with a 6.0 LS-based V8 or the 8.1L big block and is a big step up.

--Ian

stefanst 10-17-2016 01:17 PM

I still kind of like the idea of having the Eliminator roll out of a panel-van. There'd be plenty space for tools and supplies underneath the car and up high on the sidewalls.

Failing that, I'm actually thinking Nissan Xterra. 4WD, 5000lbs towing capacity. A decent engine (no V8, I know, but I won't be driving it THAT much). And all that for between $2,500 and $5,000.....

codrus 10-17-2016 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by stefanst (Post 1368090)
I still kind of like the idea of having the Eliminator roll out of a panel-van. There'd be plenty space for tools and supplies underneath the car and up high on the sidewalls.

Failing that, I'm actually thinking Nissan Xterra. 4WD, 5000lbs towing capacity. A decent engine (no V8, I know, but I won't be driving it THAT much). And all that for between $2,500 and $5,000.....

A panel van has no divider between the driver and the cargo area. If the tiedowns fail in a crash, you'll be squished. Even if they don't, after a track day you'll be inside a metal box with a heat-soaked lump of 180 degree metal, and the van's AC is not going to keep up. It'll be miserable. Plus, to get it that high you'll need ridiculously long ramps, which you'll have to fabricate by hand and set up and tear down every time you load/unload.

I dunno where you live, but Suburban 2500s are in that price range too:

$3K asking price for a 99 GMT400 w/ 454: 1999 Chevy 454 suburban 2500
$4500 asking price for a 03 GMT800 w/ 6.0 LS: 2003 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 4WD LT Leather Fully Loaded 3/4 TON

Enclosed trailers are a lot more demanding of the tow vehicle than open ones. For one they weigh more, and you'll be right up against that 5000 pound limit. For another, they have a lot more drag (hurting freeway acceleration) and a lot more sail area, so the wind pushes them around. To cope with that you want a longer wheelbase on the tow vehicle, and the Suburban is 130 inches vs the Xterra's 110.

--Ian

stefanst 10-17-2016 07:36 PM

Point taken on the panelvan. I just like the James-Bondishness of the idea.
I like the Suburbans. A few years ago a buddy of mine was looking for one and most of them had gotten pretty rusty once they hit 10 years old or so. What's the last year they put a big block in a Suburban?
And I'm sure a Suburban will hold up nicely to operating a snowplow as well. Maneuvering in a narrow driveway maaaaay be a different issue though.

aidandj 10-17-2016 07:37 PM

Big block is unecessary. The vortecs are good.

The independent front suspension will hate being used as a tow plow. But if its just your driveway it should be fine.

Don't get sucked into plowing everyones driveway, that shit destroys suspension.

stefanst 10-17-2016 07:43 PM

Where we're moving I'm pretty sure everybody already has their own plowing solution. Our house will be the last one built in the whole area. No empty plots left.

Savington 10-17-2016 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by stefanst (Post 1368164)
Point taken on the panelvan. I just like the James-Bondishness of the idea.
I like the Suburbans. A few years ago a buddy of mine was looking for one and most of them had gotten pretty rusty once they hit 10 years old or so. What's the last year they put a big block in a Suburban?

True 454 big block, '99. They put 496ci (8.1L) Vortecs in the 3/4 ton Suburbans through ~06. 00-07 Suburbans are great trucks.

codrus 10-17-2016 08:53 PM

I can't speak to rust -- I live in California, there is no rust out here unless you live on the coast. If everything near you is brown and ugly, it might be worth flying to somewhere the weather doesn't suck and driving a decent truck home.

--Ian

stefanst 10-17-2016 11:55 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1368179)
I can't speak to rust -- I live in California, there is no rust out here unless you live on the coast. If everything near you is brown and ugly, it might be worth flying to somewhere the weather doesn't suck and driving a decent truck home.

--Ian

I could ask Lars to find one in SC, where there's not much snow and ice and salt. Fly down to visit the family there for Christmas and drive the Subie home. Hmmmm... Lars?

shuiend 10-18-2016 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by stefanst (Post 1368209)
I could ask Lars to find one in SC, where there's not much snow and ice and salt. Fly down to visit the family there for Christmas and drive the Subie home. Hmmmm... Lars?

I can start looking, but I know nothing about Suburbans, but I am game.

Guardiola 10-18-2016 07:46 AM

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Want to be sick? Guy in my car club just sold a 8.1L Suburban with enclosed trailer a few months ago...

"2001 Chevy Suburban 2500 LT, 8.1L, 4wd, leather, 2nd row bucket seat, 3rd row, etc. 169400 mi. transmission was replace at 125000 mi.
Haulmark enclosed trailer 20 ft. bench, electric brake redone 2 years ago.
$9500 for the package."

Attachment 182950

At least this will give you an idea of price and what is out there.

Savington 10-18-2016 11:21 AM

If you really want the 8.1L, I would get a Silverado instead of a Suburban. The Suburbans all got 4L85Es, the Silverados with 8.1s got the same 5-speed Allison that went behind the Duramax. The 4L85s are decent, but the Allison is world-class.

codrus 10-18-2016 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1368283)
If you really want the 8.1L, I would get a Silverado instead of a Suburban. The Suburbans all got 4L85Es, the Silverados with 8.1s got the same 5-speed Allison that went behind the Duramax. The 4L85s are decent, but the Allison is world-class.

And if you're going to get a Silverado you might as well step up and get the Duramax... :)

The Suburban fits the "sleep in the back" requirement better than a Silverado, I think.

--Ian

aidandj 10-18-2016 12:06 PM

canopy.

if you are going enclosed trailer then sleep in the trailer.

Keep the truck for bringing home all the HPDE trophies.

Truck also lets you do a camper later.

B6Tfastiva 10-18-2016 12:25 PM

Definitely look for a southern truck if it's a early 2000s gm. I see lots of pa and ny trucks come through and they're rust buckets. Brake lines, rockers, fenders, and brake backing plate/dust shields seem to be the things that go first.

stefanst 10-18-2016 03:23 PM

Thanks everybody. I'm not really hung up on the Big Block thing. I just like the name and the idea. Had a Big Block '69 Corvette, and a '84 Big Block BMW (the 3.5l). With Turbo of course (a KKK K28)
Or maybe an Expedition? I know they never got the 460, but I'm sure the 5.4l could handle some towing duty. Most of my friends are more Ford than Chevy guys (I know - the company you keep)

Lars: Thanks! I very well may ask you to go take a look if I find something.

Now to come up with the budget. Where's the wife when I need to talk to her?

Savington 10-18-2016 03:47 PM

God help you if you ever have to do plugs on the 5.4L Triton.

codrus 10-18-2016 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1368366)
God help you if you ever have to do plugs on the 5.4L Triton.

Depends on the vintage. The older one it spits them out, the newer one they're stuck in so tightly they break trying to remove them. :)

I really think Chevy nailed the 3/4 ton trucks in the early 2000s.

--Ian

stefanst 10-18-2016 04:03 PM

Got it. No Ford.

shuiend 10-18-2016 04:29 PM

No Ford 5.4L Tritons. Find a 7.3 E350 van and tow whatever you want. Or an F-350 with the 7.3, get a manual, and tow even more. $5k can buy you a decent van with some searching, trucks are about double from what little I have seen briefly looking.


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