House Passes Health Care Bill
11-09-2009, 01:17 PM
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Table 1. Selected Government Cost Overruns Estimated Cost and Date of Estimate Original Latest or Actual Transportation Boston "Big Dig" 2.6b (1985) 14.6b (2002) Denver International Airport 1.7b (1989) 4.8b (1995) Virginia "Mixing Bowl" 241m (1994) 676m (2003) Seattle light rail system 1.7b (1996) 2.6b (2000) Kennedy Center parking lot 28m (1998) 88m (2003) Energy Yucca mountain radioactive waste 6.3b (1992) 8.4b (2001) Hanford nuclear fuels site 715m (1995) 1.6b (2001) Idaho Falls nuclear fuels site 124m (1998) 273m (2001) National ignition laser facility 2.1b (1995) 3.3b (2001) Weldon Springs remedial action 358m (1989) 905m (2001) Defense (per unit) F/A-22 Raptor fighter 89m (1992) 248m (2002) V-22 Osprey aircraft 23m (1987) 90m (2001) RAH-66 Comanche helicopter 31m (2000) 52m (2002) CH-47F cargo helicopter 8m (1998) 18m (2002) SBIRS satellite system 732m (1998) 1.6b (2002) Patriot advanced missile 4m (1995) 10m (2002) EX-171 guided munition 39,000 (1997) 147,000 (2002) Medicaid Special hospital subsidy 100m (1987) 11b (1992) Medicare Part A (HI), cost in 1990 9b (1965) 67b (1990) Home care benefits, cost in 1993 4b (1988) 10b (1993) Other 1996 farm law (over seven years) 47b (1996) 118b (2002) International Space Station 17b (1995) 30b (2002)
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11-09-2009, 02:10 PM
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We are supposed to be able to throw a president or administration out of power if they are abusing that power, but even with that right, the government will try to put down any revolt to remove them from power with force. I don't care much about bitching about politics, since I think politics these days are so watered down and meaningless. Most of the time I don't waste my breath on it, but when the day comes that my country needs me to stand and fight I will be ready and willing to arm myself and fight. I hope it doesn't come to that, but the government has made it pretty clear lately that they don't want to hear what anyone has to say. They can't be reasoned with, the only thing they are going to listen to is force. In my opinion its inevitable that a violent revolution will take place.
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11-09-2009, 02:32 PM
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Table 1. Selected Government Cost Overruns Estimated Cost and Date of Estimate Original Latest or Actual Transportation Boston "Big Dig" 2.6b (1985) 14.6b (2002) Denver International Airport 1.7b (1989) 4.8b (1995) Virginia "Mixing Bowl" 241m (1994) 676m (2003) Seattle light rail system 1.7b (1996) 2.6b (2000) Kennedy Center parking lot 28m (1998) 88m (2003) Energy Yucca mountain radioactive waste 6.3b (1992) 8.4b (2001) Hanford nuclear fuels site 715m (1995) 1.6b (2001) Idaho Falls nuclear fuels site 124m (1998) 273m (2001) National ignition laser facility 2.1b (1995) 3.3b (2001) Weldon Springs remedial action 358m (1989) 905m (2001) Defense (per unit) F/A-22 Raptor fighter 89m (1992) 248m (2002) V-22 Osprey aircraft 23m (1987) 90m (2001) RAH-66 Comanche helicopter 31m (2000) 52m (2002) CH-47F cargo helicopter 8m (1998) 18m (2002) SBIRS satellite system 732m (1998) 1.6b (2002) Patriot advanced missile 4m (1995) 10m (2002) EX-171 guided munition 39,000 (1997) 147,000 (2002) Medicaid Special hospital subsidy 100m (1987) 11b (1992) Medicare Part A (HI), cost in 1990 9b (1965) 67b (1990) Home care benefits, cost in 1993 4b (1988) 10b (1993) Other 1996 farm law (over seven years) 47b (1996) 118b (2002) International Space Station 17b (1995) 30b (2002)
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11-09-2009, 05:07 PM
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I read it. The original house bill anyway. I got tired of hearing about death panels and killing grandma and all the other **** that made no sense at all. So I read the damn thing for myself. That big stack they show you on the right wing media outlets is bullshit also. If you print the bill one sided, in the font and margings from PDF version, it is a pretty big stack of paper. If you print it in normal font, like 12 pitch like everything else, print both sides of the paper, like everthing else, and with on inch margins, like most everything else you read, its a fraction of what they show you. That is for visiual affect to exaggerate things to support their aurgument. There are a few things I didn't like about the bill, but nothing earth sahttering. There is no death panel, there is no kill grandma, there is no "you can't keep what you have, etc. As far as me paying your bill, if you go out and have a car wreck or some major issue, you can not pay the bill without insurance unless you are independently wealthy. Let me die is a crock of **** and you know it. If you were to get a severe compound fracture and a bone was sticking ou of you leg, you would not say, "I don't have insurance so leave my leg fucked up". But, I garantee you such and injury would ring up hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills, money you don't have, but you will get treated...that eventually gets spread out amongts tax payers when the hospital writes off some, medi what ever pays some, and my premiums go up so the hospital can make up the difference.
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11-09-2009, 05:12 PM
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So let me get this straight...I'm serving in the US Army, I contribute 15% of every check to my TSP (thrift savings plan) it's kinda like a 401K. In addition to this I also have a high-ish yield savings account I put money in every month to save. I'm 21 years old. By the time I'm ready to retire I will have a nice chunk of change waiting for me. If I start paying extraa for the same health care I'm already getting then guess what's going to suffer, my savings.
Laquisha on the other hand...is 35 "supporting" 6 kids on welfare and has never held a job, and obviously isn't saving jack ****. undoubtedly she deserves the same quality of life when we're "old" as myself correct?
This is my problem with the nation going "socialist", Socialism IN THEORY is the perfect form of government, everyone does there part, everyone gets what they need BUT especially in this country not everyone will ever do their part, and those same people are the ones who will manipulate the system to get more than they need/deserve on top of it leaving me and people like myself to suffer the consequences/the bill. Problem is, Lequisha is not the only one you are paying for. You are paying for you buddies on this board that have no insurance that think they are better than Lequisha that don't have insurance, many of which could probably afford the public option if it is offered. But you buddy goes, **** it, I can afford it but I'd rather buy a new turbo. He wrecks his **** at the track, racks up a bill, and he can't pay it.
As already stated, name 1 goverment agency that's run well/not manipulated/and in the black and I'll consider a national health care option. I see "social" medical care every day in the Army and can tell you it sucks *** and is extremely wasteful. I'm not allowed (in technicality) to buy motrin for a headache, I hve to go to sick call, what do I leave sick call with? A big *** brown paper sack full of all sorts of different drugs that the doctor thought was necessary..do I care? "No, I didn't pay for it" is the mentality of most.
It's early...none of that probably made sense so /rant.
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Laquisha on the other hand...is 35 "supporting" 6 kids on welfare and has never held a job, and obviously isn't saving jack ****. undoubtedly she deserves the same quality of life when we're "old" as myself correct?
This is my problem with the nation going "socialist", Socialism IN THEORY is the perfect form of government, everyone does there part, everyone gets what they need BUT especially in this country not everyone will ever do their part, and those same people are the ones who will manipulate the system to get more than they need/deserve on top of it leaving me and people like myself to suffer the consequences/the bill. Problem is, Lequisha is not the only one you are paying for. You are paying for you buddies on this board that have no insurance that think they are better than Lequisha that don't have insurance, many of which could probably afford the public option if it is offered. But you buddy goes, **** it, I can afford it but I'd rather buy a new turbo. He wrecks his **** at the track, racks up a bill, and he can't pay it.
As already stated, name 1 goverment agency that's run well/not manipulated/and in the black and I'll consider a national health care option. I see "social" medical care every day in the Army and can tell you it sucks *** and is extremely wasteful. I'm not allowed (in technicality) to buy motrin for a headache, I hve to go to sick call, what do I leave sick call with? A big *** brown paper sack full of all sorts of different drugs that the doctor thought was necessary..do I care? "No, I didn't pay for it" is the mentality of most.
It's early...none of that probably made sense so /rant.
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