pusha

iTrader: (5)

The furry barnacle has now become part of my Tinder profile description.

y8s

iTrader: (8)

Does the furry barnacle involve inconsiderate pets?

concealer404

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I mean... sure? But that's exactly why he paid people to you know... tune it.

I pay people to tune my ****, too. And once i pay for their services, i don't expect to have to go back and check their work.

He didn't jack into the ECU to see what's up, and as soon as he saw the dyno chart, he DID know that something was horribly awry, which brought them to the point of trying to fix it. Unfortunately, TDR had already fucked it up bad enough that it was toast.



And yes, Stoly is wonderful in the sack, thanks for asking.

concealer404

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No.... clearly states that your MS isn't in the picture.

No.

No.



Correct.


He doesn't.


Reading comprehension at an all-time low these days, i see.




I understand that over here we all ride The Brain Train and that we expect everyone to be excellent when it comes to tuning and possess a high level of mechanical aptitude, but the truth is that you guys are the minority. No, i don't have these skills, myself.

There's a whole world of enthusiasts out there that like cars, like driving them, but prefer to pay people to do the nitty gritty/hard/high risk parts of things, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I understand that Scott and Geoff had their issues over an ECU and misunderstandings related to it 3 years ago, but that's not at all what the point of posting the current events over here was.

The point is: HEY LOOK AT THIS THOOPER AWETHOME TOON THAT TDR DID GUYTH!



Sincerely,

Someone who has paid for terrible tuning in the past, and is currently running a Brain-built MS on their car.

EO2K

iTrader: (37)

I'm right there with you Ben. I have no problem paying people for their expertise. I can't be an expert at everything. I know my limits and I know sometimes I can't get the result I'm looking for with current resources available, be that time, materials or cash.

Example 1: I can kinda weld and I could probably stick a manifold together whose quality would rival the one on Leafy's car, but I decided to make it rain on ARTech instead and get something that's known to work.

Example 2: I could pay someone to build me a motor but instead, I'm doing it myself. I built prototype surgical tools for years meeting tolerances that far, far exceed what's required to build a BP. With the help of the knowledgebase of this forum, I'm confident I can do this myself.

but having said that...

I do try to at least make sure I'm familiar enough with what I'm paying people to do for me to at least make sure its done right, or that they are not ripping me off. It sounds like this Stoly guy has more money than sense sometimes.

As for that 1.6, I'm waiting for him to pull the head so we can see the pistons that look like the surface of the moon and the broken ringlands. Because, you know, we never see this type of failure. The tune obviously had nothing to do with the rod exiting the block.

concealer404

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I mean.... TDR says it has nothing to do with it, so it must be true!

pusha

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Don't forget about the Russian who built a BP using a Harbor Freight torque wrench in a tent up in the mountains.

mgeoffriau

iTrader: (7)

The point is that he needs to stop dragging Scott's name through the mud. If it wasn't already, it's now abundantly clear that Stoly has absolutely zero ability to determine what is and isn't a well set up ECU, and moreover, that the people he was relying on to tell him whether his ECU was well set up didn't know either.

I'm happy you think he's a great guy and all. I'd be more impressed with him if he deleted every negative post about Scott, and then publicly stated, for the record, that since he knows jack-squat about ECU's, he can only assume that his difficulty with Scott's ECU was the result of his own ineptitude.

concealer404

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As someone who read the notification that the topic had been posted over here by the poster, i can assure you that that wasn't the point in the slightest. We really just want to talk about the hilarious "toon." I'm not taking sides on the Scott vs. Geoff thing, from everything i'm seeing, both parties are at fault in some way, and that's that, it was 3 years ago, nobody gives a **** anymore.

He's not blaming Scott for the current shitshow, and nor does it say that anywhere.


But 3 years later, we should totally have a huge discussion about it.

I could tell you about this one time i ordered a PNP ECU and it didn't turn out to be PNP and how it was handled, but 1) it's not really the point and 2) i'm on MT.net currently and it's not going to go over well.


<3 you all.

mgeoffriau

iTrader: (7)

No, he just ran a sigline that slammed Scott until about two days ago, and repeatedly responds to any MS-related threads with stuff about Scott.

Too bad Stoly didn't recognize his own ignorance during his issues with Scott and take it as an opportunity to learn something instead of freaking out. He might not be in his current predicament.

concealer404

iTrader: (3)

Christ.

sixshooter

iTrader: (12)

Stoly was too arrogant to admit he was ignorant when he was dealing with the MS. This is not an unusual issue in man since pride always comes before the fall. What is inexcusable is publicly blaming an innocent man when you know you are likely at fault but your ego related to your public persona can't take the blow. If there was the slightest chance the fault would lie with himself a decent man would have held his tongue. The arrogant man's ego needed someone else to blame. That is a weakness of character.

The spade is a spade.

triple88a

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This, but somehow Stooly bashing Scott with every post isn't related.

pusha

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That guy has always been a whiny f aggot

Jeffbucc

Wow not sure how I miss this. I can understand turning it over to someone more knowledgeable than yourself, but you gotta research how "knowledgeable" the party is and have a basic understanding of when something is off.

Being uninformed is no excuse for something going bad, I'm not saying **** happens, but you need to have some idea of what is going on.

I thought Scott was kind've a dick when I first came here but I realized he is like my father...low tolerance of stupidity and not at least trying to figure it out yourself before asking a question. The sort of personality that wants people to help themselves and try options before asking a question.

Without a humble personality and being able to read between the lines, it will not end well when asking Teh Brain questions. I respect the man and am in debt for the help he has given me, even though I know he thinks I'm a dumbass(sorta am, I blame having to learn from NO knowledge of these things), so I can't see Scott deservedly taking heat in this.

Hope he figures it out. Even with my basic understanding of VEAL maps, that is just all SORTS of messed up.

rleete

iTrader: (21)

Even having never done more than read about tuning MS, I could see those tables were messed up. Hell, the color scheme alone, never mind the actual numbers, looks so strange as to warrant further investigation.

How do you not look over someone's shoulder and ask questions when they are messing with your multiple-thousand dollar equipment? How do you not have (and know how to read) an AFR gauge in a FI car? Or was it simply ignored until boom?

sixshooter

iTrader: (12)

It sounds like Stoly never even hooked a laptop to it himself. At all. Ever.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

The reason we are now is because I never really talked about it before because I didn't give enough ***** to care so it's really never been discussed and no one but a few even know what actually happened. and it's relevant.

There was no reason to engage him or the situation back then--they gave him mod status soon after he posted his "review" thread and then he banned me quoting Luke 6:31. I got paid. I didn't lose business. I didn't lose any internet cred with anyone that mattered. so whatever.

I was giving Stoyl support/help through PMs before leading up to the "event", such as where he should mount his AIT, how he should hook up his vacuum box, how to wire up his vTPS that came with his ITBS, etc. I also work a 9-5 job and don't always have time to answer every question that comes my way.

When he posted the pictures after the MS on fire and all mud dragging afterwards, it was completely out of left field. I was actively posting in his thread awaiting him to fire up the car cause it had been so damn long.

The MS worked. It ran his car, there's videos of it.

The issue was his TPS signal. Instead of reaching out and asking why it wasn't working, or how to fix it, he decided it was broken and decided it was better to light it on fire, buy a brand new DIYPNP2 instead, and try to gain internet points.

This was from TDR the day it was posted:

I did nothing wrong. But I learned a valuable lesson after it: I prescreen all my MS builds since; I refuse to build MSs for people like him.

mx5autoxer

iTrader: (1)

No hes technically not, but right when his car **** itself he put a quote from Scott that was completely taken out of context plus his own retort in his sig. Maybe he wants to be able to say he didn't actually blame Scott for the bad tune, but the sig is definitely there to link Scott to the failure of the build. Looks like hes embarrassed and is pointing fingers all over the place.

good2go

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Coming at this whole thing as an observer who's about three years late and at least twice as many orders removed, I can't help but wonder why he knowingly kept driving on a tune which he had expressly/admittedly been told was temporary/incomplete; regardless of how shitty it was. Without being party to the particulars of the communication that transpired between all parties regarding the 'temporariness' of the tune, and necessary precautions therefore, I can't make heads or tails of where to assign blame.

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