hpde complaints
 

There were multiple complaints today about an aggressive miata terrorizing group1. Oops

Is there any other possible outcome from one of us on the track in DE?

I was following people too closely. Off record the event coordinators that is supposed to talk to my instructor and I seemed to think it was funny.

What are you supposed to do when some SOB won't give you a point by???
You can only follow behind for so long before you have to say "Hey, I'm not going anywhere, and now I am going to do everything possible to make you uncomfortable."

I mean crap....When I'm completely off the gas and about to pass in a corner from pure momentum.....give me a point on the next straight. I'm purposely not downshifting on some corners because getting back on the gas will put into the car in front of me.

I think their instructors are telling them not to point me by because they will loose me in the straight. Nope!

My car is handling fantastic to boot! I was having a blast. I took the multiple complaints as a compliment.

hey, this asshat in a f---ing 5000 dollar miata was tailing me and my 15,000 porsche, I demand justice!!

Lose! No in-car video of asshats!

LOL @ passing with a point-by, what a waste of time out there.

This.

Run with NASA.

I cant believe dont have video. Would u belive my 10 keychain cams worked great the night before. I must have overcharged them because they no longer turn unl unless connected to the computer. I had my best session to date this morning.

Honestly you might be doing something wrong. It's one thing to get on their ass for a corner or two to say you need a point by, but it's another thing when they don't give it and you keep going. If you don't get a point by, you need to pull into the pits and ask for space.

Yeah, I earn my old age reputation.

After a certain point, you set them up and pass without a point. If I paid $200 for a day at the track, I'm not going to spend it throwing away laps through the pit for space because a cherry-picking douche can't watch his mirrors.

You can also space-out on the track by parking it somewhere and waving packs of fags by you. I want space more than I want to pass McLarens.

I agree, it's a waste to sit behind some douche, following his imperfect line, breathing his exhaust, and being all in all bored. OP shouldn't be entirely to blame though, flaggers should be blue flagging, organizers should be warning about this kind of crap in the driver's meeting*, and obviously the driver in front should be watching his mirrors and giving a point by**. If none of these things are happening however, the solution should not be to sit on their tail. Back off, pull into the pits, and/or approach the drivers if it's only one or two.

*one of the bigger orgainizers is CSCC in my area, Cascade Sports Car Club. Every driver's meeting they use the example of a miata catching a viper in the corners and getting murdered in the only passing zone, the straights. "make sure you let off when you give the point by, and give one if they're tail gating you in the corners. Or we'll meat ball you." And they have.

**It's also your job to have eagle eyes on the interior of their car. Instructors often give near useless point bys from inside the car, or the driver is scared to break the "keep you hands and arms inside the car at all times" rule. I've been approached a number of times by drivers saying they had given the point by, and felt bad that I obviously didn't see it, since I wasn't passing. This might only be happening 1 out of 10 hold ups, but it's worth a check.

NASA here requires point-bys in groups 1 2 & 3. group 4 can pass freely.

...and this is why you only run 4/TT.

Only pass without a point if you can do it with tires smoking in a big drift.

haha Hustler, I admire your suggestion of NASA, but you don't get into DE4 just because you want to.

Ultimately as you climb up the DE ladder, people get a bit more lax with point-bys. DE2 will have more mature drivers who don't care, and DE3 will have even more. DE4, well at that point it usually doesn't matter.

Dave, don't feel too bad (although curly may have a point, I doubt its true). I get complaints too, and other times drivers will come by and ask to see my car (expecting a turbo from my stickers).

I'm fully aware. Just go out there, be a man, and get a check-ride to move up to TT. You're a smart guy with lots of track experience, go get it.

Curly has a point. This morning they told the freight train engines toto pull into pits. Pulling into the pit is an option, I just dont feel like ishould be the one to get out of rhythm when im doing things right.

You shouldn't have to, but it's the right thing to do. It took me years of fuming about asshats doing exactly what you described to figure out what Curly said for myself.

And Hustler got to DE4 because he drives... flat out.

He ran with PCA which should explain a lot - bunch of Porsche snobs... come on back with ReZoom David. Problem with Barbers is - NASA doesn't run there for no-pb passing, next best thing is PBOC super-solo group which is like DE4, next step up is club racing with PBOC, BMWCCA, or SCCA. Otherwise, Chin and ReZoom allow PBs anywhere on track - once to make it into the advance group, young padawan

I might do a single day with rezoom. The problem is that you have to pay for the instructor. I soloed with PCA. The instructor thought I should be in their group 3. The chin talent was on a different level. There were a lot of really fast cars in group one. Then again, I'm much much faster now then when I ran with them. I'm at a crossroad now with my car. I see the necessity for a quicker spooling turbo. I think I'm nearly as fast as I can be in turn 5,6 with my tires. On exit, 3rd gear is too low, but 4th is a little too tall. When I get the corner perfect 4th gear is ok. It would be perfect with quicker spool. I could be a little faster in the front straight by shortening my transition from throttle to brake. I picked up a ton of speed in 2, and 5 by learning to heel/toe.

I may be shopping a new turbo. I'd rather not buy a set of slicks for a 15x7 wheel. Id rather burn through this rubber, then buy a set of 15x9s and run rs3s I've got to send my manifold in for repair anyway, so I think I'll upgrade to the trackspeed inconel stuff at the same time. I might just upgrade to a better flowing manifold. I know the GT2871R is the hot ticket, but I'm wondering if there is an older BW that is comparable. I'll have to talk to Sav.

If I were to sign up for group 4, theyd want to look at my log book, if I couldnt produce, they'd probably put me in group 2 and see how I drive first.

David, ReZoom doesn't require you to pay for an instructor like Chin does. Single fun-filled day for $250 - I'll ride with ya :)

http://www.motorsportreg.com/index.c...13A1ECDCF2C71B

Maybe it's just Nasa-se, but hell, I don't even have an actual logbook (which I should) - closest thing I have is the experience history on-line with motorsportreg and the like...
I should have a log book to write in all my my settings, fluid changes, changes to setup, etc...

I did a Dallas PCA-day and they put me in the slowest "non-novice" group even though I had the fastest street car on the track. It was made pretty clear that they didn't want anything as cheap as my car in a faster group, regardless of how fast I went.

I'd say group 3 for you, check-ride in 4 if you're fine with open passing, and then apply for your TT license on paper.

Just don't ride with an SM guy. I did a check-ride at ECR and although I ran a competitive time for TTB, the instructor thought I was "too hard on the gas and too sketchy on trail braking" probably because he was afraid.

I had a spec miata instructor, and we didn't really jive. I wouldn't have an instructor that was familiar with miatas again. I think the driving style must be different between spec cars and high hp cars.

My check ride passenger though that every time the BOV made noise I was going full throttle, lol.

I have had instructors who drive stock miatas and I have instructors that drive boosted miatas. The ones that drove naturally aspirated were not as good at the ones that were used to driving boosted ones.

I scared a spec Miata instructor when my car was still n/a.

He thought I was "driving too hard".

Lesson learned, never go in the beginner group.


I did one track day where it was mandatory for the instructor to drive your car for 2 laps if you wanted to drive that day. I was pissed but let him do it anyway, not knowing that this asshat sucked at driving manual. Apparently rev matching was above his head.

yeah my spec miata instructor worte down stupid comments. I told him my brakes were fading on the long straight, so I wasn't going all out, no point.

He wrote down something stupid about it. I was like dude, I can reach 140mph where you shitty car cant even hit 90mph in the same spot.

So dumb. Then my tires were getting greasy (hot AUG day; RT-215s) so I was taking it even easier on the gas out of corners, and commented on that too.

something like, needs work on braking zones and throttle work. I was like dude, next time I'll crash into a wall and make sure to hit on your side and see if I need work.

Similar situation....I was using axxis ultimates for pads, no racing seats or harnesses. He said I wan't pushing the car hard enough. Then at another point he said there were times when he didn't think I was going to break enough. What??? So you felt scared/unsafe and didn't bother saying anything in the car???? Thanks a lot.

It's super important to establish a relationship with your instructor as soon as you meet. If you can tell that they aren't going to communicate effectively, then get someone else.

I tried to explain this to some of the 1st time track people on day one. On day two no one would speak to me anymore :( It's amazing how butthurt people get. They seem to put all the value in the type of car they rive or they get passed by. I bet if I had been driving a 996 the attitudes would have been different.

My second tack day ever, my instructor didnt feel he could teach me anything more and let me go solo :confused:

The TXMC crew crashed a Porsche party a couple years ago at TWS, it was pretty bad for them. My personal favorite was -----stomping the president of the club in his 996 Cup Car (clearly driving like a ------) after he talked ---- to most of us about "crowding our garage!!!". At the end of the day he mixed a martini for me, lol. Sometimes it feels really good to attach the peasant tire-trailer after running with the "big boys" and driving the track car home.

I felt like a bauce kicking the butt of my friend's 2010 BMW 3something. I finally pushed him into over heating his brakes and tires, and the instructor made him point me by. At the end of the day he congratulated me, and said "well, I'm going to go turn up my AC and heat, just cause I can, and listen to some tunes at very low volume levels. Cause I can."

Lol, ass. I'd love a luxury car to drive home in, but still love my bucket of bolts that keeps up with some of the big boy toys.

I turned on my a/c once on the 1/2 mile straight. it was something like 95°F out with 80% humidity. that's how a real man rolls.

I could always snob it up and get a cayman, but it is funny that people actually stopped speaking to me because my miata was fast.

On my last run I was actually hand waving at the flag guys to get them to waive the blue flag. Then I hand waived the car in front of me. At one point I was driving with one arm resting on the door. (only to make a point to the flag stations)

They will black flag you for that, ask me how I know.

I have never had any issues with my turbo miata instructors, or my n/a miata instructors. And I have learned different but equally important things from both of them.

I'll be sure to confuse the hell out of my miata student this wekeend https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1331212294
Actually, it'll be a wet fun-filled time... hope he/she has some decent rains.