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JasonC SBB 10-03-2013 05:07 PM

The hypochondria and pseudoscience thread
 
Type in your staples.
Low-fat crap and grains not allowed.

Here's mine:

Morning smoothies with:
- DIY Kefir made from raw unhomogenized milk
- DIY coconut milk made from shredded coconut
- Avocado
- frozen berry mix from Costco
- pastured duck or chicken eggs

Then
- Kerrygold butter and coconut oil in my morning coffee
- Norwegian Cod Liver Oil
- Pastured eggs, in omelets if not smoothie
- pico de gallo (salsa) from the store, in omelets
- juiced frozen prechopped organic veggies from Costco
- the above sauteed in Kerrygold butter
- wildcaught Alasakan sockeye salmon
- grass fed beef
- pastured chicken
- pastured liver every once in a while
- cook with sea salt
- add Concentrace (trace mineral drops) to reverse-osmosis water which I carbonate
- Tabouleh from a lunch deli
- I wanna start making bone broth

hustler 10-03-2013 05:52 PM

No grains? Seriously?

Fireindc 10-03-2013 06:13 PM

Cook EVERYTHING with virgin coconut oil. Natural non gmo veggies. Grass fed beef, buffalo steaks, etc.

I always eat healthy at home, some of my favorite restaurants though.. not sure.

JasonC SBB 10-03-2013 08:06 PM

High temp cooking in coconut oil is good when the coconut taste goes with it.
Otherwise I use ghee (clarified butter) from Pure Indian Foods | Buy Organic Ghee and Indian Food Supplies Online.
I hear duck fat is the best tasting, followed by beef tallow.
http://chriskresser.com/5-fats-you-s...but-may-not-be

Hustler: Grains aren't a health food.

curly 10-03-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hustler (Post 1059354)
No grains? Seriously?

Down with carbs. When needed, stay away from processed sugars, and non-whole grain breads and pastas. Otherwise and FDA source telling you to eat 60% or whatever carbs in your diet is total and utter bull shit.

JasonC SBB 10-04-2013 01:54 AM

Whole grain bread pasta not health food either.

NA6C-Guy 10-04-2013 02:20 AM

I had to ditch the high fat, low carb diet after about a week. I could already see and feel a difference, but my body rebelled, or more precisely, my skin. I broke out like I was back in freshman class high school. I've always had shitty skin, but I've been able to keep it in check. All of that fat and oil really fucked me up though. Almost 2 weeks later and I'm still struggling to calm my skin down. Being almost 30 and having to fight shitty teenage skin sucks balls. Thanks hormones/genetics!

Joe Perez 10-04-2013 08:24 AM

I really don't understand where the underlying science for the "bread is bad" religion sprang up from all of a sudden. Humans have been cultivating wheat and other grains since before the beginning of recorded history, and yet we've only just now realized (presumably by divine revelation) that carbohydrates are part of an evil conspiracy by Xenu the galactic overlord to cause some vague and imprecisely defined unhealthy thing to happen to us?

hustler 10-04-2013 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by curly (Post 1059404)
Down with carbs. When needed, stay away from processed sugars, and non-whole grain breads and pastas. Otherwise and FDA source telling you to eat 60% or whatever carbs in your diet is total and utter bull shit.

lol @ telling a guy who pedals 250 miles per week on a bicycle to "not eat carbs" and that "carbs are bad, mmmm-kay."

+1 on ghee awesomeness
+1 on duck fat awesomeo
+1 on yellow beef fats

mgeoffriau 10-04-2013 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy (Post 1059466)
I had to ditch the high fat, low carb diet after about a week. I could already see and feel a difference, but my body rebelled, or more precisely, my skin. I broke out like I was back in freshman class high school. I've always had shitty skin, but I've been able to keep it in check. All of that fat and oil really fucked me up though. Almost 2 weeks later and I'm still struggling to calm my skin down. Being almost 30 and having to fight shitty teenage skin sucks balls. Thanks hormones/genetics!

It can take more than a week for your body to adjust to the new energy sources (and to clean out toxins and adjust regulatory processes). Most people find improved skin to be a benefit of cutting out inflammatory grains and sugars, since most skin conditions are inflammatory in nature.

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Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1059490)
I really don't understand where the underlying science for the "bread is bad" religion sprang up from all of a sudden. Humans have been cultivating wheat and other grains since before the beginning of recorded history, and yet we've only just now realized (presumably by divine revelation) that carbohydrates are part of an evil conspiracy by Xenu the galactic overlord to cause some vague and imprecisely defined unhealthy thing to happen to us?

This is a weird post that I've seen you make before. I understand that you get off from being the skeptical contrarian, but just go read some of the research. It's easily available. There's tons of new research over the last 20-30 years demonstrating the role of inflammation in the vast majority of diseases (especially autoimmune disorders) as well as the inflammatory nature of most grains and sugars.

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Originally Posted by hustler (Post 1059497)
lol @ telling a guy who pedals 250 miles per week on a bicycle to "not eat carbs" and that "carbs are bad, mmmm-kay."

Eh. There are Olympic athletes eating a Paleo-style diet.

Anyway, carb levels depend on activity levels (and body composition goals). High activity means you add more carbs back into your diet. Just don't add toxic carbs like grains and simple sugars.

Eat sweet potatoes, rice, regular potatoes (but not fried), etc.

curly 10-04-2013 11:18 AM

In the amounts suggested in most schools and nutrition classes, yes, carbs are bad. I'll back pedal a little bit and clarify that we shouldn't eliminate carbs for obvious nutritional necessities. But The Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2010 suggests 60% carbs in our diet (and 20/20 protein/fat).

The big fact that really opened my mind was that proportionally speaking that is the same as a sumo wrestler. I'd love to find a link for proof, unfortunately I can't right now. A quick google search resulted in lots of body building forums suggesting a similar ratio to bulk up.

Obviously Hustler's 250 mile/week routine requires more energy, and carbs=sugars=energy. I don't believe he's the typical American though. We've suspected that for quite some time though.

FRT_Fun 10-04-2013 11:22 AM

Eggs erry day.

hustler 10-04-2013 12:38 PM

Gran and sugar is toxic? Really? Are we on this "gluten is poison" thing now? Celiac disease is an aberration from normal intestine functioning, not everyone reacts to gluten the same way. This is coming from my gastroenterologist of course, not just idiot me. It makes sense to a degree that reducing grain portions makes sense for most people, but most people are disgustingly fat and eat hamburgers daily, without veg.

Is there a study out there with a reasonable sample-set of healthy people which suggests grain is toxic, and to a degree of toxicity that outweighs the benefits of the complex carbohydrates?

FRT_Fun 10-04-2013 12:44 PM

Carbs being burned means fat not being burned. No carbs to burn means the body uses fat and protein to get energy. Of course it takes some time for your body to switch over, and some people report feeling a bit shitty initially since the body is used to having plenty of carbs to burn. Although this doesn't mean 0 carbs, it means low carb. I will find some studies, but a high fat and protein diet is for the most part, very healthy. Although most of the studies have been based around Epilepsy.

For the record I'm not actually on this diet. I love carbs too much. Also for anyone on a crazy work out plan, you probably won't get enough energy from a low carb diet. I know nothing about carbs being "toxic" but there are some dental benefits to low carb diets.

nitrodann 10-04-2013 12:50 PM

Lol.

Carbs are bad.

Right.

My new healthy snack is half a litre of whole milk with a level tablespoon of honey, cocoa, 1/4 cup oats and a huge spoon of peanut butter blended.

Dann

MartinezA92 10-04-2013 12:57 PM

My ideal meal plan that I sometimes skip on because I'm busy or run out of time:

1st meal: 5-6 eggs, protein shake, maybe a greek yogurt
2nd meal: a ham sandwich, whole grain bread, nuts or other snack.
3rd meal: chicken breast and golden rice (if im at work I have no choice but to get fast food. no such thing as good fast food but I try to get something relatively full of protein)
4th meal: protein shake and anything I can find at this point
5th meal(post workout): small snack, greek yogurt

I have a feeling I'm trying to do the opposite of what you guys are doing.

also carbs = energy, if i hit the gym with minimal carbs i burn out really quickly.
so yes i eat a lot of carbs

NA6C-Guy 10-04-2013 01:04 PM

How about just eat sensibly, and responsibly, carbs in moderation? I think common sense is the best of all diets. I don't think any food is so bad that you can't at least have a little in you daily diet. Of course you always want to limit certain things like excessive salt and sugar.

Harv 10-04-2013 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1059490)
I really don't understand where the underlying science for the "bread is bad" religion sprang up from all of a sudden. Humans have been cultivating wheat and other grains since before the beginning of recorded history, and yet we've only just now realized (presumably by divine revelation) that carbohydrates are part of an evil conspiracy by Xenu the galactic overlord to cause some vague and imprecisely defined unhealthy thing to happen to us?

I'm also confused at this point. It's really hard to sort out what is actually good or bad these days since the Internet will tell you just about anything you want. Confirmation bias gone crazy.

If you do any sort of intensive cardio work you need carbs to fuel you. Then you start getting into the people talking about good carbs and bad carbs and it gets confusing again.

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Michael is eating kale chips. don't be fooled.

also: corn is a grass.

hustler 10-04-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1059598)
I will find some studies, but a high fat and protein diet is for the most part, very healthy.

No one said that high fat and protein diets were unhealthy. Two of us don't believe that grains are unhealthy. I know I come off as a crass fuck, but I'm genuinely interested in this information from a credible source.

There is a chocolate-pecan macaroon in my future.


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