I F*#&ing hate carbs... Can I get that with the weak sauce?
 

So here is the story....

I find 3 EX-5oo Ninja's for sale... total investment $1000. 2 sets of carbs, only one of which is even remotely worth a shit. I ordered a set of carbs off ebay and it's just as broke as the ones I have... I hate carbs, they suck and never work right... So the question is...

Should I megasquirt an EX-500, and if I do, do you think it needs a Turbo? (I'm thinking it does...)

Freaking Ninja 500's are weak sauce. No balls what so ever... I am thinking that some boost might fix that issue.

https://www.miataturbo.net/gallery/f...4/dscn0088.jpg

Is it worth boosting?

Mark

sell it and get a REAL bike...duh.

he has a real bike, these are toys.

i hate carbs too, so i say megasquirt, i bet there's a whole bunch of power in there even without a turbo, but then a turbo would be cool as hell too.

i think you should microsquirt it and then think about turbo. you don't want to deal with a carbed turbo engine. Ever.

Lol they are balls slow. My miata at 5psi will put car lengths on my ninja 500.


It would be hilarious to turbo it, i think its a great idea. Id love to see one keep up with an r6.

that would be one sweet 500

Not to rain on a parade. Carbs are so super easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #1 RULE. DO NOT TOUCH THE ADJUSTMENTS!
just take the bottom of the bowls off and clean the jets. You should be fine. Put a filter inline. After it the carbs are clean then you can adjust alittle. But usually you don't have to adjust them at all.
Get what you can running and sell them and take the extra microsquirt & turbo money and buy an 01 GSXR 1000, or some other liter bike.
The effort and money is not worth it. And for what the 500 is, it will run. But there is no replacement for displacement. Get a gsxr 1000 and it doesn't need turbo. It will pull 9's all day. That is if you can ride.

If you turbo the 1000, it is insane.
I just don't want the hasle of a turbo bike. I like to just turn the key on 900+ cc's. I wouldn't want a hic-up in a curve.

If you had TURBO and Nitrous the 1000 would spank the 500. ZX9's and all 900's are cheap now. Or even get a 600. I'll sell you my Custom ZX9R for $4500.

lol, are you sharing an opinion or advertising your bike? lol jp :D

Def turbo and microsquirt the bike, the bragging rights alone are worth the effort.

you guys know im kidding.

MS + t-88?

ToddCodd missed the humor, which is what you picked up on....

I know that the 500 is super slow, which is what would make a turbo one with micro/megasquirt absolutely wrong. A Turbo 500 might put down 70-90 HP, which is actually a pretty stout amount of power.

It's not about building a "fast" bike, it's about building a sleeper of sorts. Something that is just wrong on many levels... No one wants to get spanked by a ninja 500, that's for sure.

I have no money in it, and would never spend much on this project... but it could be too much fun.

Mark

PS - I already have a liter bike...

Do it mark and drop some spray on it too.

I have no interest in spending money on spray for the bike.

Mark

You know you should do it, why even bother asking here that's silly.

And you also know I am selling a turbo you could try on it. The biggest issue is oiling the turbo. Also where would you place the turbo, right under the radiator?

I am getting some pretty sweet ideas in my head, that thing could be sick.

I worked a 16hr last night. My BS O-meter was Broke. LOL!

Placement is generally under the radiator, yes. You can see some example here:
http://www.bigccracing.com/shop/cate...?idCategory=66

Oil supply is generally taken at the filter or pressure sender. Return is a bit more difficult, with a lot of them requiring a scavenge pump.

It would require a small scavenge pump, but that's no big deal and with a small turbo and only 2 runners, this is an easy one to do... almost too easy.

Mark

Mark:

DO IT. Seriously, turbo it.

I helped a friend turbo a 2000 ninja 250 and it ended up being damn near quicker than my modded ZX6. We planned on using a 500R for the base bike but couldn't find one for under 1000 like the 250.

:D

Just remember it has 10.8:1 compression, other than that sleeper ftw.

It also has a very small bore size. It runs that 10.8:1 compression on regular gas, not premium. That 74mm bore makes it more detonation resistant. So let's assume that this motor is safe for roughly 9 PSI, so I need a turbo that will make about 10 Lbs/min at a pressure ratio of 1.64, something like a GT1548 or so would work well and make about 100 HP.

Mark

Tim has a GT15 for sale, doesn't he?

Lol.. yes, i believe he does.


And so it begins..(i hope)

Seriously this thing would be sick.

oh god that is going to be sick, funny, and oh so wrong on some many levels...please please please have pictures and a video...

I want to Turbo my R6 but don't know how to do it with carbs.... Standalone on a bike kinda scares me since i don't have many bike dynos local..

Hmmmmm...............

Old bike Racer I know has been doing it for years.. His very first turbo bike was a KZ900. Told me it took him somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 years of tinkering to get it tuned right.. His 500+rwhp Busa took him about a week to tune on his shiny new Dyno. ;)

What turbo did you use?

The one I have for sale is a GT1544, I'd think it's better than the 1548 for this application. Besides better spool, it's air (and oil) cooled, with cooling fins on the bearing housing. The 1548 is watercooled; I guess you could run coolant thru it but that's just more plumbing & cost. The 1544 and 1548 are both around $525 new. :vash:

you gotta blow through a hat and have a FPR. kind of sucks if you ask me. can you stuff the R1 motor into the R6 frame? might be cheap and easy. I was in the GSXR camp for a while, and that's what a lot of the 600 guys did--put the 1L in their 600s. I rode a 750.

I don't blame TurboTim for not giving me the GT1544 super cheap (I really tried to low ball him.) So I decided to buy this instead. We'll see if it works, This would be far cooler if I purchased two of them... LMAO.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...236206513&rd=1

Mark

Nice. "Looks" to be the same thing as the GT1544, in terms of the turbine flanges, style & position of wastegate actuator, except the GT1544 wastegate bracket is seperate so you can clock the thing easily. And not as fancy casting on the turbine outlets though, 1544 has a tapered turbine outlet. If you can't find the flanges somewhere, I have a set (one set stays with the 1544 I'm trying to sell, the other set from the busted 1544 are sitting acting pretty in a box). Actually if you need anything else that fits that turbo (assuming it's the same), air filter, oil fittings, etc, let me know.

I assume it's chinese. Does this eBay ETDMotors have anything to do with ETD Racing?

In all honesty, I don't know why you got that instead of the one I'm selling. Mine would come with the flanges and oil fittings, air filter, plus mine is a geninuneie Garrett. Add in the cost of all the misc stuff, take off half, and offer me that. I would have taken it, especially for this project and the fact that you'll probably get it to work. But whatever no biggie I'm sure you can source that stuff cheap.

If you are successful maybe I'll do the same ;)

EDIT FOR PICS: Flanges etc should be close, except the turbine inlet "triangle" flange is upside down compared to mine, and looks to be a little wider. Lemme know.
http://www.shoremotorsports.com/pics...bo/PaulTT6.jpg

http://www.shoremotorsports.com/pics...bo/PaulTT7.jpg

with a megasquirt, who needs carbs? port inject that bad boy.

Nothing to do with ETD Racing.... ETD had huge eBay feedback and name.. Next thing ETDMotors popped up!

Weaksauce update:

Well I slapped on a set of 37mm Flat-Slide carbs and got the throttle adjusted right. These carbs came off my race bike, but they did the trick, Weaksauce accelerates fairly hard now, but really doesn't come alive until 8,000 RPM... Needs more cowbell and some boost.

For a 500 Ninja, eh, it's not too bad. Double the power and it might be fun... I had it up over 100 MPH tonight, so it's holding up ok in that respect... it's all functional.

Mark

PS - Tim, throw me a price for the accessories...

IIRC It was a GT2 off an old diesel Jeep. Spool wasn't too bad, but you had to get her wrapped up pretty high to really get some good power out of it.

This thread makes me wanna finish my turbo bike project... Too much work needed still though. Stretch the swingarm, modify the stock header, charge plumbing, Megasquizzle... :mad:

Lol cute turbo there mark, were the carbs a good performance upgrade? Mainly i'm wondering if its worth doing.


Keep us updated!

Honestly I would check on ebay to see if I could score some injection throttle bodies from an injected bike. I've seen 600RR, Gixxer, etc TB's on there pretty cheap. Suzukis been injecting their 600s since like 2000 so they're all over the place.. Just need to figure out how to remove two of those TB's from the mix... Or mix up a manifold to take 4 throttle bodies.

Now that I'm thinking about it.... Wonder if you could wedge a 600 I4 in there? :)

I sent you a PM before you bought that turbo with what the accessories run. If you need all of them, $80. If you only need a few things, make me an offer. I'd wait to you get the turbo to make sure the thread sizes for the oil fittings are the same. If all you need are the flanges, $40 shipped for both I guess.

I'd sell you everything with a turbo for $215+shipping. :giggle:

I don't know how it would run on the stock carbs, but these carbs and a muzzy exhaust dyno'd at 60 RWHP.

Mark

I want a ride!!

I hate carbs as well. I bought a 1986 Yamaha Radian 2 years ago and spent months trying to get it working. That included 3 full sets of carbs, i assembled one good set with many new internal parts. Then once it ran I found out the clutch was bad and it didn't have compression in cylinder 3. Sold that sucker and got into the miata like I should have in the first place.

Well, I have 2 sets of bad carbs, and 1 good set. I can't figure out what's wrong with the bad sets. It's pissing me off though!

I just want the damn carbs to work, is that asking too much?

Obviously it is... Fuel injection is the answer. LOL.

Mark

pretty good for a 500.

Ya, not bad... The turbo should be here this week but I leave for Texas next weekend and am selling my Miata...

Mark

carbs are awesome. that garbly sound...good shit. tuning 4 carbs sucks. I have a gsx700 that I've rebuilt the carbs on. not that hard. dynojet sells kits with adjustable needles and multiple jets. get an o-ring kit and bowl gaskets and you've got everything you need to rebuild your carbs. the body's never go bad, you just need to soak them in carb cleaner.

go here http://www.oldskoolsuzuki.info/ to the forced induction section for some good ideas/pictures

and you don't need to do any fancy grafting of fuel injected throttle bodies onto a carb'd motor, just build an air box and route your compressor outlet into that. pretty simple. instead of bigger injectors, you use bigger jets. you people act as if no one put a turbo on a car before there was fuel injection...

The Weak Sauce
 

Now this is what a REAL turbo looks like, LMAO!

https://www.miataturbo.net/gallery/f...4/dscn0353.jpg
https://www.miataturbo.net/gallery/f...4/dscn0354.jpg
https://www.miataturbo.net/gallery/f...4/dscn0355.jpg

You forgot the obligatory picture of the turbo next to a coke can...

Ya, well coke is too high dollar for this.... So I used diet ditto instead!

https://www.miataturbo.net/gallery/f...4/dscn0361.jpg

My dick is bigger than that turbo... Don't ask for a picture, I might just do it!

Mark

carbs are simple, bar none.

if carbs frustrate you, end game. go Fi

still a pointless exercise considering i used to bve the service manager of a kaw dealer, and never seen anything worth puking on, regardless of how well it seemed to the owner

You and your ebay turbos, I swear!

Granted, It's an exercise is futility... but it should still be fun. After all, who expects a 90 HP EX-500 to roll them? It's almost like expecting the spanish inquisition... and no one expects that!

Mark

I made a franken bike once. 1980s Suzuki GS500 + turbo, carbs, fuel system bits from a Yamaha 650 seca turbo. I didn't even play with the jets just ran pig rich but it was epic fun :D It was a real sleeper because I put the turbo under the seat where the original airbox was then put a cover over the side to hide it. apart from the odd exhaust routing that cooked my leg medium rare it looked stock.

Now im back in the uk I'm limited to 33.3hp for another year :( so thats why I have a ninja 250 :D

I like that idea, however I think that I will have more room to play under the front of the bike, still something to hide the little guy would be nice. ah, Decisions, Decisions.

Mark

mark my old 500 had a small lower fairing that might help distract turbo bits if you painted them all black, i'll see if i can dig up a picture

can't find mine but here's a pic off the net
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...&ct=image&cd=1

Belly pan FTW :D

I wonder if the full farings from a ninja 250 would fit

http://www.asl-testsite.co.uk/motors...PX250-2004.jpg

+1, my bike has the belly pan. You could sheath the turbo in some sheet metal, and paint the whole bike (and sheet metal) flat black. Then it would just look like a beater, that would shame some 600's.

Also, carb/fuelie route, honestly whatever you think will be easiest. This shouldn't be a project that you beat yourself up over- but rather put together for fun, and surprise some people.

That turbo is cute btw.. lol