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rmcelwee 12-20-2011 09:31 PM

I need to slow down a 120V muffin fan. Resistor?
 
If I wanted to slow down a fan (think of a PC power supply fan - but 120V) I could probably put a resistor on it. What size? I'm probably looking to run it 50% speed.

Thanks!

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JasonC SBB 12-20-2011 09:51 PM

If it's a brush motor you can do it. How many amps is it rated for?

If it's an induction motor you can't. you'd have to run it at half voltage and half frequency. I'm gonna guess it's an induction motor, because brushes would result in a short life.

rmcelwee 12-20-2011 10:07 PM

It is my father's and I am not looking at it now (he is 600 miles away). I can get the specs on it and post them later. Thanks!

Joe Perez 12-20-2011 11:46 PM

Since it's single-phase, wouldn't it be a shaded-pole motor? If so, any off-the-shelf fan speed controller (eg: from the fan section at Home Depot) would work, would it not?

JasonC SBB 12-21-2011 01:40 AM

Hmm, what kind of fan speed controller? Shaded pole motors' speed is a function of frequency.

y8s 12-21-2011 11:37 AM

what is a "muffin fan"?

could you just block off some of the surface area?

Joe Perez 12-21-2011 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 809125)
what is a "muffin fan"?

It's a catch-all for the sort of fans that you might put in the case of a PC, or which is pictured above in post #1.

The name originally comes from Gerald R. Muffin, a Scottish inventor who first designed fans in this form-factor in the early 1920s for use in


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 809011)
Hmm, what kind of fan speed controller?

I'll disclaim this by reminding the audience that magnetics are not my strong suite. But from what little I have read on the subject, any triac-based controller ought to work. Clip the AC voltage and the motor will slip.

rmcelwee 12-21-2011 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 809125)
could you just block off some of the surface area?

Looking to make it more quiet....

JasonC SBB 12-21-2011 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 809154)
But from what little I have read on the subject, any triac-based controller ought to work. Clip the AC voltage and the motor will slip.

Triac based controllers work on brush motors. On shaded pole motors they won't let the motor reach half speed. Even if it did, the motor would probably quickly overheat.

JasonC SBB 12-21-2011 03:51 PM

I take what I wrote partially back. Apparently some cheap shaded pole motors driving fans work OK with triac based fan speed controllers with limited speed reduction (maybe down 60% of orig speed). Watch out and check the motor for overheating. They can also hum BTW. Don't use a light bulb dimmer.

An autotransformer stepping down from 120 VAC to like 80VAC may work better. Dunno where you would get one small and cheap tho.

jeff_man 12-21-2011 05:24 PM

tl;dr

Go buy a fan speed controller

Tw34k 12-21-2011 05:35 PM

Almost seems cheaper and easier to go with a dc fan and a 555 to me.

Joe Perez 12-21-2011 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Tw34k (Post 809369)
Almost seems cheaper and easier to go with a dc fan and a 555 to me.

Well, yeah. Obviously if the fan in question can be replaced, the easiest course of action is just to find a new fan of the same size with the properties that you want. Even AC muffins can be ordered in all sorts of different speeds: http://search.digikey.com/us/en/cat/...ans-ac/1179729

rmcelwee 12-24-2011 01:10 PM

Cool link / website setup


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