It's been a while since we've had a political thread...
12-29-2008, 07:01 PM
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It's been a while since we've had a political thread...
Looks like the middle east is going to **** again. It's the same thing every time. Both sides are unwilling to make concessions or stick to any agreements. Of course our government unilaterally supports Israel and calls the Palestinians "terrorists" which is a nice way to end any discussion before it begins. I don't support either side in this conflict. I don't support any political movement that uses violence as a means to their ends.
I understand the anger of the Palestinians who had their land taken from them and have become second class citizens in their own country. I also find the treatment of them by the Israelis to be disgustingly hypocritical. You are subjugated and treated like animals by one government only to turn around and do the same thing to another people? On the other hand I understand that the Palestinians are not saints and are certainly breaking as many promises as the Israelis and doing their fair share in instigating violence.
Neither side really seems to want peace but are actually looking for opportunities for conflict. It seems like this is never going to end. Though I hae no personal stake in the situation it does make me sad to see the same situation occur over and over and it infuriates me to see our governments one sided and wholly unhelpful role in this conflict. What the hell happened to a two state solution?
I understand the anger of the Palestinians who had their land taken from them and have become second class citizens in their own country. I also find the treatment of them by the Israelis to be disgustingly hypocritical. You are subjugated and treated like animals by one government only to turn around and do the same thing to another people? On the other hand I understand that the Palestinians are not saints and are certainly breaking as many promises as the Israelis and doing their fair share in instigating violence.
Neither side really seems to want peace but are actually looking for opportunities for conflict. It seems like this is never going to end. Though I hae no personal stake in the situation it does make me sad to see the same situation occur over and over and it infuriates me to see our governments one sided and wholly unhelpful role in this conflict. What the hell happened to a two state solution?
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12-29-2008, 07:20 PM
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As long as the Israelis are occupying Palestinian lands there will not be peace there, period, and the Palestinians and other sympathetic Arab states will ensure that there is no peace.
One of my teachers is Palestinian and she jumps at the slightest thing from having grown up in Israel.
I read in the "USA Today" this morning (stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night) a sentence which actually got me a little heated: "Israel was born". Born??? If demanding a land be surrendered by its rightful owners to a new group simply because the British thought it was a good idea is birth then sure..
One of my teachers is Palestinian and she jumps at the slightest thing from having grown up in Israel.
I read in the "USA Today" this morning (stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night) a sentence which actually got me a little heated: "Israel was born". Born??? If demanding a land be surrendered by its rightful owners to a new group simply because the British thought it was a good idea is birth then sure..
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12-30-2008, 12:10 AM
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Yes. See - Balfour Declaration of 1917:
Winston Churchill, in 1922:
In both Houses of Parliament there is growing movement of hostility, against Zionist policy in Palestine, which will be stimulated by recent Northcliffe articles. I do not attach undue importance to this movement, but it is increasingly difficult to meet the argument that it is unfair to ask the British taxpayer, already overwhelmed with taxation, to bear the cost of imposing on Palestine an unpopular policy.
If you believe I need to get my history straight, please provide examples to back up your view.
Winston Churchill, in 1922:
In both Houses of Parliament there is growing movement of hostility, against Zionist policy in Palestine, which will be stimulated by recent Northcliffe articles. I do not attach undue importance to this movement, but it is increasingly difficult to meet the argument that it is unfair to ask the British taxpayer, already overwhelmed with taxation, to bear the cost of imposing on Palestine an unpopular policy.
If you believe I need to get my history straight, please provide examples to back up your view.
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12-30-2008, 12:56 AM
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Palestine is also several million people swept aside to make room for the Zionists.
Of course it didn't happen in 1917, and we didn't gain our independence in 1776 either... but it set things in motion. It's all right there: "His majesty's government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" Doesn't get much more black-and-white than that.
Of course it didn't happen in 1917, and we didn't gain our independence in 1776 either... but it set things in motion. It's all right there: "His majesty's government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" Doesn't get much more black-and-white than that.
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12-30-2008, 01:04 AM
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Zionism was a bigot's answer to the "Jewish Question".
They had no right to the land outside of writings in the bible.
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12-30-2008, 06:30 AM
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There will always be fighting - like two brothers...no peace. We should leave them be. As I explained to anyone who asked...short of genacide...there is nothing we can do - and since genocide isn't an option (not even close to an option) we should keep our noses out of it.
Sidebar...did anyone else notice Obama stating we would withdraw from the Middle East if he got the Presidency...but the other day making a statement he would infuse more troops into the Middle East by the summer?
Sidebar...did anyone else notice Obama stating we would withdraw from the Middle East if he got the Presidency...but the other day making a statement he would infuse more troops into the Middle East by the summer?
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12-30-2008, 09:36 AM
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Palestine is also several million people swept aside to make room for the Zionists.
Of course it didn't happen in 1917, and we didn't gain our independence in 1776 either... but it set things in motion. It's all right there: "His majesty's government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" Doesn't get much more black-and-white than that.
Of course it didn't happen in 1917, and we didn't gain our independence in 1776 either... but it set things in motion. It's all right there: "His majesty's government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" Doesn't get much more black-and-white than that.
What you are missing is at the same point Israel was created, Palestinians were given an opportunity to make their own nation, and they refused. I guess i am surprised that given how the world has formed and people have fought to create sovereign nations that somehow Israel should be exempt from that.
And the White Paper of 1939 disagrees with your assertion, in fact Britain wanted to limit Jewish immigration. In fact Arabs would have had to grant permission for Jewish immigration.
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