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I just love seeing pictures of NB miatas with two PC-Pros hanging off the dash, wired by Tom himself. That's close to a $1000 investment for a POS solution.
There are also 5 more wires coming off a pc-pro than a basic MS, and the basic MS can do twice as much at half the cost
There are also 5 more wires coming off a pc-pro than a basic MS, and the basic MS can do twice as much at half the cost
#46
I just love seeing pictures of NB miatas with two PC-Pros hanging off the dash, wired by Tom himself. That's close to a $1000 investment for a POS solution.
There are also 5 more wires coming off a pc-pro than a basic MS, and the basic MS can do twice as much at half the cost
There are also 5 more wires coming off a pc-pro than a basic MS, and the basic MS can do twice as much at half the cost
Now people will have to shell a bunch of $$$ to end up with laughable solution like two PC-Pro plus ignition box hanging off the dash ...
I suggested offering 4 ignition boxes kit, then they will have individual cylinder ignition trims (option which many standalones offer).
Can you imagine that? Someone with two PC-Pro and four ignition controllers hanging off the dash ...
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Haha. You forget about the new ignition timing card - the new ultimate answer in the engine management world - the one Joe Perez argued about on m.net
Now people will have to shell a bunch of $$$ to end up with laughable solution like two PC-Pro plus ignition box hanging off the dash ...
I suggested offering 4 ignition boxes kit, then they will have individual cylinder ignition trims (option which many standalones offer).
Can you imagine that? Someone with two PC-Pro and four ignition controllers hanging off the dash ...
Now people will have to shell a bunch of $$$ to end up with laughable solution like two PC-Pro plus ignition box hanging off the dash ...
I suggested offering 4 ignition boxes kit, then they will have individual cylinder ignition trims (option which many standalones offer).
Can you imagine that? Someone with two PC-Pro and four ignition controllers hanging off the dash ...
#50
Anywhere you see a reference to "Fuel Injectors are not Intercoolers" is a personal rag on him, because he really does believe that his fifth injector setups qualify as intercooling. His kits are (allegedly, since there are a bunch of explanations for this) responsible for blowing several motors up, and I know at least one person in the CA Bay Area (eBoi on M.net) whose FFS car produces 30whp less than advertised. I've driven it. It's weak.
As far as his "honesty" goes, didn't he used to push a competing product as the new hot thing, and after his hookup with Moss he switched over to the MP62 as the new hot ****? Didn't Keith call him on this in the duck thread?
As far as his "honesty" goes, didn't he used to push a competing product as the new hot thing, and after his hookup with Moss he switched over to the MP62 as the new hot ****? Didn't Keith call him on this in the duck thread?
Got any links to these threads with blown engines and people crawling up his *** over his cooling methods?
Oh jesus. To think I almost bought one, good thing I didnt have the money. I spoke to him numerous times via PM and he was always a pretty cool, courteous and helpful guy. It saddens me to hear this, but hey I guess everyone turns eventually.
#53
I visit this forum everyday and I know that a bunch of members have fun ragging on other people. The stupidist Mnet post threads are an example, but in this case it is you who are posting unfounded stupid **** just to fit in with this group. I have no issue with Ben or Brain arguing EMU theory with Tom or Bill, but your "facts" are nonexistant. So let's leave out the guy who had his car tuned by "pros" at 13.8 AFR under boost, and the guy who slapped on an oversized pulley and went to the track without a dyno run or wideband, and me who you already know about. Which specific kits failed? And who else's motor failed? Once again, be specific.
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this one is famous:
http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers....=8993#post8993
tom himself killed it after 148 lean dyno pulls with no ignition retard, then blamed the JDM motor iirc.
look how well the pc-pro works!
http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers....=8993#post8993
tom himself killed it after 148 lean dyno pulls with no ignition retard, then blamed the JDM motor iirc.
look how well the pc-pro works!
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this one is famous:
http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers....=8993#post8993
tom himself killed it after 148 lean dyno pulls with no ignition retard, then blamed the JDM motor iirc.
look how well the pc-pro works!
http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers....=8993#post8993
tom himself killed it after 148 lean dyno pulls with no ignition retard, then blamed the JDM motor iirc.
look how well the pc-pro works!
Btw, heres our M45 PC-Pro Powered miata:
Nice to see it doesn't start to adjust the fuel until 4000rpm. If the engine was running at full compression I'd be severely worried.
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Pat, you and I both know there were several FFS equipped motor failures last year.
You and I also both know that the dyno chart posted here shows a car running richer than 10:1. It's also public knowledge that this car took 150 pulls on a dyno to create this tune, where it was subject to 15 psi, no charge cooling, and no provision for timing control. Furthermore, it's public knowledge that this car rolled of the dyno with a failed motor.
How can you not see gross negligence on behalf of FFS and its chief officer?
Remember, the first failed motor was due to the BEGi AFPR. The second failed motor is due to uhm, yeah, huh, geez, it must have been a bad motor to start with
You and I also both know that the dyno chart posted here shows a car running richer than 10:1. It's also public knowledge that this car took 150 pulls on a dyno to create this tune, where it was subject to 15 psi, no charge cooling, and no provision for timing control. Furthermore, it's public knowledge that this car rolled of the dyno with a failed motor.
How can you not see gross negligence on behalf of FFS and its chief officer?
Remember, the first failed motor was due to the BEGi AFPR. The second failed motor is due to uhm, yeah, huh, geez, it must have been a bad motor to start with
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Sorry, I have to recant some of the previous post. I confused the dyno chart posted here with elphaba's chart on the FFS website. It's actually looks like the motor was underfueled at higher rpm, not overfueled. That's because the fueling system was beyond capacity.
I stand behind the rest of my post though.
I stand behind the rest of my post though.
#60
For the most part I will stay out of the discussion on FFS, Pc-Pro. M-Net etc. However, I will give my experience.
IMO I spent too much money with BRP for my hotside and significantly more upgrading the ELF to a PC-Pro and other items. Overall things worked fine, but my SO was tired of me molesting her car. Consequently the whole works is being removed from her car and is being sold at less than half what I have into it with only 5k miles on the kit. The Pc-Pro worked fine for what it is and the dyno showed the fueling was fine. However, my research has shown (IMHO) there are better options for the money.
I was fortunate enough to pick up a '94 with Corky's MOAB for a fair price and will still have a SC car to play with. Currently the car has an AFPR in it and I do not want that for fueling anymore than I want to stick with the Pc-Pro. My plan for this car this spring is bigger injectors and a MegaSquirt. I now want as much power as can get for the $$$.
I feel the Pc-Pro is fine for those who want an easy solution and are not concerned about maximum power or value for the dollar. I simply no longer fall into that catagory.
IMO I spent too much money with BRP for my hotside and significantly more upgrading the ELF to a PC-Pro and other items. Overall things worked fine, but my SO was tired of me molesting her car. Consequently the whole works is being removed from her car and is being sold at less than half what I have into it with only 5k miles on the kit. The Pc-Pro worked fine for what it is and the dyno showed the fueling was fine. However, my research has shown (IMHO) there are better options for the money.
I was fortunate enough to pick up a '94 with Corky's MOAB for a fair price and will still have a SC car to play with. Currently the car has an AFPR in it and I do not want that for fueling anymore than I want to stick with the Pc-Pro. My plan for this car this spring is bigger injectors and a MegaSquirt. I now want as much power as can get for the $$$.
I feel the Pc-Pro is fine for those who want an easy solution and are not concerned about maximum power or value for the dollar. I simply no longer fall into that catagory.