M.net GORD rant
01-31-2007, 10:44 PM
#41
Sorry guys, but the spring constanst of a helicoil DOES in fact relate to the number of coils. More specifically, to the number of active coils. If you need something to play with to convince yourselves:
http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htm
But you can check any mechanics book past a kindergarten level.
http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htm
But you can check any mechanics book past a kindergarten level.
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01-31-2007, 11:00 PM
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Does anybody HERE seriously give even the slightest bit of **** about cut springs. I just did a search and it's never ever ever ever ever come up in a thread.
"Learning" things is great... but learning things about cut springs only makes us dumber. I love the Gord bashing, but the technical talk about stipid ******* cut springs isn't worth our time for any reason no matter how "correct" the info is. Dammit Jay, you kill me sometimes.
Cutting your springs are what my retarded high school buddies did to their otherwise bone stock Integra LS's. This subject just isn't worth the bandwidth.
"Learning" things is great... but learning things about cut springs only makes us dumber. I love the Gord bashing, but the technical talk about stipid ******* cut springs isn't worth our time for any reason no matter how "correct" the info is. Dammit Jay, you kill me sometimes.
Cutting your springs are what my retarded high school buddies did to their otherwise bone stock Integra LS's. This subject just isn't worth the bandwidth.
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02-01-2007, 12:08 AM
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I think you're wrong. The spring constant (stiffness) is still the same as before, you just have less distance to travel before hitting the bump stop. Think of it this way... I have a spring that takes 300 lbs to compress 1 inch. Now then, I cut 2 inches off the end without changing anything else about the spring. Now I have a spring which still takes 300 lbs to compress 1 inch, it's just shorter. The only way to change the spring rate is by changing the metallurgy, the coil diameter, etc.... not the length.
Yep at least how i was taught about linear springs
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02-01-2007, 12:33 AM
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This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's ******* weak.
Cut springs, by the way, DO increase spring rate. 200lbs of force on a 10 coil spring compresses it 1 inch, or 200lb/in. Each coil compresses 1/10". Cut 5 coils off, and drop the same 200lbs on the spring, and it compresses 5/10s of an inch, with each coil compressing 1/10". Effective spring rate is now 400lb/in.
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02-01-2007, 12:37 AM
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Does anybody HERE seriously give even the slightest bit of **** about cut springs. I just did a search and it's never ever ever ever ever come up in a thread.
"Learning" things is great... but learning things about cut springs only makes us dumber. I love the Gord bashing, but the technical talk about stipid ******* cut springs isn't worth our time for any reason no matter how "correct" the info is. Dammit Jay, you kill me sometimes.
Cutting your springs are what my retarded high school buddies did to their otherwise bone stock Integra LS's. This subject just isn't worth the bandwidth.
"Learning" things is great... but learning things about cut springs only makes us dumber. I love the Gord bashing, but the technical talk about stipid ******* cut springs isn't worth our time for any reason no matter how "correct" the info is. Dammit Jay, you kill me sometimes.
Cutting your springs are what my retarded high school buddies did to their otherwise bone stock Integra LS's. This subject just isn't worth the bandwidth.
I'd venture to say that cut stock springs are no better or worse than the eibach, racing beat or H&R garbage a lot of people have installed on their car ... if done properly. Slamming you car by taking a torch to you spring and cutting out an inch worth of coil is indeed retarded. But carefully cutting a single coil or so out with out loosing the temper or changing the properties of the spring is a valid way to go. Depending what one's goals are.
Start hanging around people that drive cars that are old and who have been autocrossing for a long time. Many of these cars didn't off the shelf options for springs and people had to make due.
Now would I do it? No, I beleive in spending money to save time and headaches (how are those junkyard turbos working out for you?). But I'm not going to say someone knows nothing about suspensions because he has done this. Like I said, Gord is a tool but not for this reason. Because he drives a BRG with yellow paint all over it.
I'm done with the subject.
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02-01-2007, 08:26 AM
#54
Hey guys Chill the **** out
WTF Ok so M.net has alot of wine and cheesers and closed minded people fine but please guys dont Bring it here we all get along fairly well, here.
Jayc WTF Sam does some good detailed writeups that explaine valid points to new commers of all sorts. Are you gonna say Braineack or i are a waste of Bandwith to or Pherhaps olderguy or Phillip. We are all here trying to learn While i would not personally go with a junk yard turbo on my miata. that does not make it wrong or stupid to do it. I have horrible luck with junk yards around here and distrust ebay so i bought new **** + i figured i could use it as an example for a DIY with no welding or extra tools and Viola it worked how bout that. Jayc Grow up man. Gord has pissed me off to but still. The guy is entitled to vent, he would do it on M.net but then nobody would ge tto read it as it would get deleted. Sam i feel for ya but hey its just the internet. Now everybody please just take a step back and chill. KTB
Jayc WTF Sam does some good detailed writeups that explaine valid points to new commers of all sorts. Are you gonna say Braineack or i are a waste of Bandwith to or Pherhaps olderguy or Phillip. We are all here trying to learn While i would not personally go with a junk yard turbo on my miata. that does not make it wrong or stupid to do it. I have horrible luck with junk yards around here and distrust ebay so i bought new **** + i figured i could use it as an example for a DIY with no welding or extra tools and Viola it worked how bout that. Jayc Grow up man. Gord has pissed me off to but still. The guy is entitled to vent, he would do it on M.net but then nobody would ge tto read it as it would get deleted. Sam i feel for ya but hey its just the internet. Now everybody please just take a step back and chill. KTB
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02-01-2007, 08:49 AM
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Cutting springs is just as legit of a suspension modification as using archaic means of increasing fuel for boost is. Neither is the best way to do it but both are money saving and effective if done properly.
Cutting springs is a DIY mod that seems absolutely valid to this forum.
Who gives a **** about a mod at M.net is my question.
Frank
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02-01-2007, 08:54 AM
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[QUOTE=Savington;77605]God forbid he should post an opinion different than yours. Grow the **** up.
This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's ******* weak.
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Grow the **** up. No thank you I am too old as it is. This has been an ongoing issue. He can have all the opinions he wants. My problem is the way he goes about telling others about his "opinion" he does not have to be an *** to anyone that thinks different then him. (He does this allot). That is why I can not believe he is a MOD. And that is my OPINION.
This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's ******* weak.
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Grow the **** up. No thank you I am too old as it is. This has been an ongoing issue. He can have all the opinions he wants. My problem is the way he goes about telling others about his "opinion" he does not have to be an *** to anyone that thinks different then him. (He does this allot). That is why I can not believe he is a MOD. And that is my OPINION.
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02-01-2007, 08:55 AM
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True and i agree with it, as do alot of others.
God forbid he should post an opinion different than yours. Grow the **** up.
This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's ******* weak.
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Grow the **** up. No thank you I am too old as it is. This has been an ongoing issue. He can have all the opinions he wants. My problem is the way he goes about telling others about his "opinion" he does not have to be an *** to anyone that thinks different then him. (He does this allot). That is why I can not believe he is a MOD. And that is my OPINION.
This anti-M.net bullshit has got to end on this forum. It's ******* weak.
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Grow the **** up. No thank you I am too old as it is. This has been an ongoing issue. He can have all the opinions he wants. My problem is the way he goes about telling others about his "opinion" he does not have to be an *** to anyone that thinks different then him. (He does this allot). That is why I can not believe he is a MOD. And that is my OPINION.
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02-01-2007, 11:19 AM
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wow. this is some thread. it's like a train wreck... only I want to drive a train into it.
cut springs: increase rate. the "long bar" vs. "short bar" analogy is correct. it's just that the increase in rate rarely offsets the shorter height which equals the Gord hoopty effect.
who ever thought the rest of the thread would turn from gord bashing into a pissing, name-calling contest though. damn.
cut springs: increase rate. the "long bar" vs. "short bar" analogy is correct. it's just that the increase in rate rarely offsets the shorter height which equals the Gord hoopty effect.
who ever thought the rest of the thread would turn from gord bashing into a pissing, name-calling contest though. damn.
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