MAF Relocation Kits
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An e-friend messaged me today because he moved his MAF sensor on his MSM and now can't figure out why it runs like shit. I can't believe someone not only makes this piece of shit, but that it's sold to so many people. I also appreciate the comedy of a forum that's full of our rejects. |
Originally Posted by imclumzy
FYI, I also come from a Mitsubishi 3000GT background...
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Smoother/Stronger Power - but i cant drive it on hot days.
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As opposed to weaker power?
My power is angry |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 756907)
http://www.mazda-speed.com/forum2/in...topic=22422.15
An e-friend messaged me today because he moved his MAF sensor on his MSM and now can't figure out why it runs like shit. I can't believe someone not only makes this piece of shit, but that it's sold to so many people. I also appreciate the comedy of a forum that's full of our rejects. That's one way to get a VTA BOV to work with the factory ecu. |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 756936)
In your opinion, what makes it a piece of shit? Build quality? Design (blow-thru conversion)?
That's one way to get a VTA BOV to work with the factory ecu. |
So you pay nearly $200 to be able to run a vta bov? lulz
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 756940)
It's not configured to work with pressurized air. That's not really how a MAF works as I understand it. I assume that pressurized air cools the MAF-wire differently than it's factory orientation.
Theoretically the calibration should not change, but in the real world it may. It seems like it's working for most people. Being able to run a VTA isn't the only reason to try it; a MAF of xxxx ID is more of a restriction pre turbo than post turbo. Lotza MAF cars run a blow thru stylie. |
Any time you change the path of the air pre-maf you have to re-tune to keep it happy.
You throw an intake on a scoob you have to re-tune or it will run like ass. Same with evo's. I'm almost positive this isn't any different. HOW the air travels will definitely change how the sensor picks it up. On paper and in theory it looks like it shouldn't matter(like you said) but in actuality it very much does. |
it should technically be more accurate as a blow through. Where is the AIT sensor on the MSM located?
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My K&N typhoon on the obxt fortunately didn't result in it running like ass.
Sometime you are fine, most times you aren't. |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 756962)
My K&N typhoon on the obxt fortunately didn't result in it running like ass.
Sometime you are fine, most times you aren't. Did you log with a wideband and it was identical to stock? Cause that's really surprising if so. The "power gain" claimed from these bolt on 65mm intakes is usually a result in leaner afrs and more proneness to knock/garbage. When tuned to compensate most of the gains either disappear or are significantly reduced, and become very minute. Which is why unless you're going for over 350whp most tuners advise keeping the stock intake box/tract. But back on topic: I can totally see the MSM running like ass from re-locating that sensor and not tuning for the change. This is just my .02 though |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 756965)
Well "like ass" may have been a bit exaggerated, lol, but it definitely makes afrs a bit bouncy and erratic on many/most cars.
Did you log with a wideband and it was identical to stock? Cause that's really surprising if so. The "power gain" claimed from these bolt on 65mm intakes is usually a result in leaner afrs and more proneness to knock/garbage. When tuned to compensate most of the gains either disappear or are significantly reduced, and become very minute. Which is why unless you're going for over 350whp most tuners advise keeping the stock intake box/tract. Back to the MSM... |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 756961)
it should technically be more accurate as a blow through. Where is the AIT sensor on the MSM located?
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Originally Posted by Pitlab77
(Post 757314)
IIRC in the intake box.
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but they move it to the TB pipe by the MAF. I at least saw that pic.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 756961)
it should technically be more accurate as a blow through. Where is the AIT sensor on the MSM located?
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