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mxv 04-30-2007 12:41 AM

metal salad
 
made my first metal salad today. i was waiting for it and it snuck up on me. made it about 1500 miles. ended up breaking it going up ceasar's head mountain. made it about half way up and broke a tooth off. drove it to the top and coasted back down and then on the flats at the bottom of the mountain it lost it and broke all to shit... awwwsome sound, even have some video :)

accually looking thru the vids i accually got when it blew on me on video :) lucky me

listen when i go into gear after the turn :gay:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...h_CIMG0429.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0414.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0418.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0419.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0431.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0432.jpg

Philip 04-30-2007 12:46 AM

WTF ------s
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0414.jpg

SamS 04-30-2007 12:46 AM

At least you were surrounded by gearheads!:hs:

cjernigan 04-30-2007 12:47 AM

"I don't know what the fuck that is."
haahhaha It's the sound of a long day ahead.

mxv 04-30-2007 12:50 AM

hahahaha, i got her back already, good thing i have my 1.8 diff swap next to me.

i didnt know at the time cause it was still driving just fine but then i was like ohhh... haha i know what that is :td:

kotomile 04-30-2007 12:50 AM

Yikes.

"dunno what the fuck that is." <-- classic

akaryrye 04-30-2007 01:55 AM

So when are ya gonna put the body pannels back on the car? I would think that would be a cop magnet like that, mainly because they wonder why the fuck the body is all torn off

jsisco 04-30-2007 09:40 AM

How do you guys drive in flip flops. I've tried to drive in sandals to pick up milk and I have a hard time. Feet got all caught up in the pedals. Would definitely never try it with some spirited driving. It must be the skills. :cool:

Braineack 04-30-2007 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by jsisco (Post 107740)
How do you guys drive in flip flops. I've tried to drive in sandals to pick up milk and I have a hard time. Feet got all caught up in the pedals. Would definitely never try it with some spirited driving. It must be the skills. :cool:


did this not give it away :rofl:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0414.jpg

kotomile 04-30-2007 09:51 AM

I kick my flip-flops off and drive barefoot as often as possible.

Ataim 04-30-2007 10:29 AM

Scratch

Braineack 04-30-2007 10:33 AM

That's a perfect example of why I did my 1.8 swap....you just never know when/how it will give....Ive hear stories of it blowing up on the highway, in the middle of drifting, cruising on a backroad....at 200rwhp I was pushing my luck

iluvtruenos 04-30-2007 01:42 PM

Did you happen to toss this salad of metal?

hustler 04-30-2007 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by iluvtruenos (Post 107844)
Did you happen to toss this salad of metal?

Look at the pics, I assume its a regular thing.

Braineack 04-30-2007 02:00 PM

:rofl:

Al Hounos 04-30-2007 02:22 PM

dude, you've got the ugliest, most badass car on this forum. nice roll bar, did you make it?

that7guy 04-30-2007 03:09 PM

You have the cleanest engine bay ever! Do you have a writeup on the wiretuck?

y8s 04-30-2007 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by that7guy (Post 107859)
You have the cleanest engine bay ever! Do you have a writeup on the wiretuck?

rain washes it off?

hustler 04-30-2007 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Al Hounos (Post 107854)
dude, you've got the ugliest, most badass car on this forum. nice roll bar, did you make it?

lol

greasem0nkey86 04-30-2007 05:18 PM

should've kicked the clutch on the way down, see what happens :D

mxv 04-30-2007 06:04 PM

thx and no thx guys haha. i am the guy int eh red/white striped shirt. i do have tennis shoes on, my old ass worn thin ones. the guy whereing sandles was just there for the ride. kevin, stupid flying guy... hes just an idiot, always. yea i made the roll bar, never got around to putting it in untill last weekend. and yes i did destroy the diff on my way down. after i got to the bottom i saw a good gas station so i told granger (flip flop dude riding with me) that i was gonna see if it could even hold any boost with it all fucked up, so i went into second, hit about 7 psi and it exploded, the subbie behind me saw a ton of oil fly out the axle holes and they werea bout 50 ft back and heard it go out. then it just sounds like rocks after that and the engine is no longer connected to the ground so we pulled into the gas station.

no wire tuck, megasquirt and not using any extra options on the car is why is pretty much empty, but nothing is tucked. turns out i have been rich and can still pull another 15-20whp more out of it next time i tune. looks like itll be awhile till i am back on the road, gotta swap diffs, change front main seal, change the plugs, alignment, bolt on the new suspension, primer the rest of the body and paint it and get it tuned again. probly be done by the end of may. .... then she will be done! well except for the hardtop when i get rich

mxv 04-30-2007 11:49 PM

and on the way up before it went out

http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...t=CIMG0421.flv

kung fu jesus 04-30-2007 11:58 PM

i lost mine a month ago. the pinion broke on mine, not the ring gear. the u-joints on the driveshaft were really stiff. i like my MS lsd, so i had a shot peened ring and pinion installed with new bearings and seals.

mxv 05-01-2007 01:35 AM

putting in my 1.8 open/(torsen) ((fingers crossed for it being a torsen) in a few weeks. donor car has 90k miles. would you suggest me replacing the bearings and seals when i put it in or when i switch it over to a clutch pack? or just never bother?

akaryrye 05-01-2007 01:59 AM

how about bushings too? Mmrdirect.com?

cjernigan 05-01-2007 02:07 AM

You guys keep reminding me. I need to go see mmr and see what's up. They're like 2 miles from me.

mxv 05-04-2007 08:21 PM

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0458.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...o/CIMG0459.jpg

there is your carnage :bigtu:

Braineack 05-04-2007 08:27 PM

surprised the pinon went and not the ring.

neogenesis2004 05-04-2007 08:28 PM

that'll buff out

mxv 05-04-2007 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 109454)
surprised the pinon went and not the ring.

had a few teeth get chewed up on the ring, but not as bad i was going to expect. and even that was probly caused by the pinion going out. so tecnically that means, my 1.8 rear end is just as suseptable to breaking as this one right?

kung fu jesus 05-04-2007 10:03 PM

yours looks like mine, but not as bad. the pinion split of about 40% of the helix, not just the teeth, the actual pinion.

i have a shop i goto here since i don't have the time or garage space anymore. the owner is japanese as are the rest of the employees (all are difficult to understand), but their workmanship and knowledge of miatas is second to none. he told me that when the u-joints start to stiffen on the miatas, the vibration it causes just eats up the pinion. i never knew that.

i'm not one to take my car in for repairs, but i have to admit, i never doubt these guys. hiro's garage in costa mesa. koji-san ftmfw.

mxv 05-05-2007 10:56 PM

got the 1.8 conversion in with some modification of the ends of the axles from me trying to knock them out. everything went it great other than that. my hoping for a torsen was for nothing. but i never looked inside.

is there a way to tell by turning the pinon and seeing what happens to the axles or buy turning the axles?

akaryrye 05-06-2007 01:15 AM

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ya if you take off the stubshafts off and look through the hole, if there is a bar going across in the middle it is an open.

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mxv 05-06-2007 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by mxv (Post 109694)
is there a way to tell by turning the pinon and seeing what happens to the axles or buy turning the axles?

aka its already in

kung fu jesus 05-06-2007 02:24 PM

make your own water box and dump the clutch?

Al Hounos 05-06-2007 02:27 PM

yeah, prettymuch the only way i believe, just drive it hard, you should be able to tell. you can't turn the wheels because a torsen will turn opposite ways like an open.

Braineack 05-06-2007 03:04 PM

the pinon gear on the 1.8 should still be larger.

look through the stub holes, if you can see through it's a LSD, see the bar (as above) it's an open.

akaryrye 05-06-2007 10:34 PM

braineack:

Originally Posted by mxv (Post 109745)
aka its already in

just do a couple of donuts in a parking lot and if the car wants to go wide, you have an open differential.

cjernigan 05-06-2007 10:45 PM

I have an open, my brodies suck. When turning my driveshaft both wheels turn the same direction though, is that normal?

mxv 05-07-2007 12:57 AM

yea it wont take long to find out if its open or not by driving, but its still not drivable. front main seal is out, thats my next job. i got 13 tires on wheels to take care of, all bald and need to be thrown. when i get her back on the road and pump out another 15-20 more whp out of her ill take care of some rubber and well know if its an open or not haha.

akaryrye 05-07-2007 01:19 AM

sounds like a plan

slutz4 05-07-2007 07:28 AM

sorry to hear about the diff, on a side note, clean looking engine bay!

mxv 05-07-2007 10:21 PM

thanks :)

yep, heh, its open :barf:

turns out that whining sound i was hearing every since i bought the car was the diffs bearings, no more sound :) man i thought that was my tranny for 2 years now. bad bearings probly is what killed the diff i am thinking.

matttheniceguy 05-08-2007 03:40 AM

1.6 diffs generally die due to poor lubrication to the pinion bearing. The diff isn't designed that well and the pinion bearing doesn't get enough lube. The bearing wears, you get slack between the pinion and ring, and then you get what you have there.

Love the upper shock mounts. I have a set of M2 mounts that I have been very tempted to convert to somthing similar with a piece of pipe, but worried about strength. After looking at yours I think I may just have to go for it. Did you do any calculations as far as how high to stick the mount, or just go with what looked good?

Braineack 05-08-2007 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by matttheniceguy (Post 110533)
1.6 diffs generally die due to poor lubrication to the pinion bearing. The diff isn't designed that well and the pinion bearing doesn't get enough lube. The bearing wears, you get slack between the pinion and ring, and then you get what you have there.

Considering it shares that same "design" as the 1.8L counterpart that is nearly bulletproof when it comes to adding power, I'm still going to assume it's simply too small of a ringgear to handle torque, plain and simple.

mxv 05-08-2007 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by matttheniceguy (Post 110533)
1.6 diffs generally die due to poor lubrication to the pinion bearing. The diff isn't designed that well and the pinion bearing doesn't get enough lube. The bearing wears, you get slack between the pinion and ring, and then you get what you have there.

Love the upper shock mounts. I have a set of M2 mounts that I have been very tempted to convert to somthing similar with a piece of pipe, but worried about strength. After looking at yours I think I may just have to go for it. Did you do any calculations as far as how high to stick the mount, or just go with what looked good?

yes i had to look at the size of the bump stop and the length of the shock at full length and look at when i will get coil bind and how much adjustablility i will have on my sleeves. looked like 1.75 high on the pipe was the trick, but i probly could have gone 1.25 and still been fine. i also went with a 6" rear srping instead of the 7" that usually give you for the rear. looking at it now i could have gone 7" but i like the ability to still lower and raise it up.

all 1/8" mild. 1.25" welded bolts to the mount. 1/8" wall tubing and stick welded tubing to top circle peice for extra strength, all else is tig'd. spring perch hat is 3.5" across and the tubing for the 1.75" stretch at the tope is 2.5" od, enjoy :)

juhanis 05-08-2007 08:49 PM

ah yes, reminds me of my metal caesar salad, mine was not drivable at all though after it happened. i blew one of the spider gears apart. i also, had an open 1.8 diff chillin in the garage for swap. but i made an oath to myself not to own another open diff... so, i swapped it out with a 1st generation rx7 lsd carrier and 3.90 final drive. much better. this one is holding the abuse just fine. i like how stripped down your car is, its gangsta.

matttheniceguy 05-08-2007 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 110551)
Considering it shares that same "design" as the 1.8L counterpart that is nearly bulletproof when it comes to adding power, I'm still going to assume it's simply too small of a ringgear to handle torque, plain and simple.

The size of the ring gear doesn't help anything, but considering how many people kill the 1.6 on stock power there is more to it than that.

I got the info about lube problems from a local diff shop that does rebuilds on miata diffs. Apparantly if you take one that hasn't blown appart yet, there is usually a fair bit of wear and slop in the pinion bearing. They replace that bearing, and all the others, and run the diffs on heavier oil. Apparantly after doing that the 1.6 diffs have no problems (of course this rebuild costs nearly as much as a 1.8 diff, so why bother).


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