Mr2 Mk1 (aw11)
 

Anybody had any experience with these little cars? I really do like them the most of all the mr2's for their size and price. Anybody know what kind of power is achievable N/A? I'd like to keep it somewhat stock so i can use it as a back to my backup to my miata.

they're much like the miata NA. However they can be very quick and nimble with a SC(4AGZE) or you can even swap in a 3sgte from a jdm mk2 engine (the USDM had a different motor)


The 3sgte is a difficult, however, the 4agze is a direct swap, cause it;s the same motor.


I liked my 87 but i blew the piston rings so it had to be sold. I'd like a mk2 myself. If oyu have any questions don't hesitate.

well like the mk2's also, but they are quite a bit more and i'm looking for a car that i can beat on. That and all of the mk2's i've seen for sale have been auto's :nono:

my friend has a mk2, sweet car. Was my other car choise when I get my miata.

helping my friend put a silver top (JDM 4AGE) in his with a black top ECU. Shooting for about 140 whp NA and trying to get the weight down to 2K or at least close to it.

There was this Mk1 MR2 running SM2 with me at an autoX earlier this season that was swapped, he said something about it being a JDM engine swap. IDK exactly what it was, but it was turbo, and it was quick as shit, made my Miata look N/A. Still had the "Supercharged" badge on it from its original engine, probobly one of the best sleepers I have seen in a while. It ran a 12.X down the quarter too..

well looking in the local trader i saw a mk1 for $200 but the engine is "blown" so they say, no windshield either, the rest is in supposedly good condition. There is also a 98 scooby for 500 obo that runs "but needs some mechanical repairs", which sounds more appealing?










this may be a hustler type post

what do you mean scooby? Personally, if i were to get either a mk1 or 2 i'd do a 3SGTE swap ( i know a guy who can source one for ~700 longblock). I did the engine swap on my mk1 and replaced it with a 4age from a JDM Corrola S. Same engine, but a little more HP. the mk1 will be a good beater a little tight on space but it handles great. Just remember to swap the engine you need to lift the car and drop the engine out the bottom (very easy). Also 4age engines run ~400 (from my local importer) and they all have less than 60k on the engine and come with a warranty. Not too sure of the price for AGZE (supercharge) prices however, but like apex said, the turbocharged 3sgte's in the Mk1 can GO.

by scooby i mean subaru, i'm not sure if it is an impreza, wagon, or what though :dunno:

ah, i'd still go with the mk1 for fun beater, stubie for reliable beater. Both can be reliable though.

yeah, if this scooby is a wagon or forestor then the mk1 it is. All depends on condition. Both pose problems though because the scooby has a boxer engine and the mr2 a midship platform :nuts:

I road raced a mk1 for a bit.

Advantages:

Light
Mid engine is fantastic to drive
The 4age motor is a very common platform*
Can be quick on an open track with just minor mods.
Solid motor, very reliable and durable.

Disadvantages:

Motor was designed to be dropped from the bottom not pulled from the top, but if your determined enough that can be done.
LSD's are not easy to find.
VERY optimistically geared. A lower gearset is extremely difficult to find.
Real race brake compounds are rare and hard to find in matched sets.
So are decent coilovers.
That fucking fiberglass on the firewall itches like a motherfucker, especially if rubbed into knuckles you recently cut, working on this same fucking car.



* the 4age is the same motor as in:
The initial d fanboi car AE86
Came supercharged in the ze version
Levin and Trueno hint, 20 valve 5 valves per cylinder
Formula Atlantic... 240fwhp NA
Personally I've seen these motors make a solid 300 at the wheels. They are very similar to the miata B6.




Despite what looks like a good list of disadvantages, it's been one of my favorite cars to ever drive. Extremely rewarding because the rear suspension toes in under load and throttle down, but out on throttle lift, so it punishes bitches that lift mid corner.

Why is that a problem? The Subaru prolly just has blown head gaskets.

because i know diddly-squat about horizontally opposed engines. I'm goin to call both owners tonight and see if the subaru has a MT and which model it is, and what exactly is wrong with the mr2

The character of the motor is completely different to the Miata 1.6. The 4AG like to be rev'd for one and can take a 9000rpm redline without problems.

4AG is also in the AE111, the front drive Corrolla GTS. The best example here in the states is from the Geo Prizm which was rated at 130hp. I THINK swapping the ecu and injectors will get you most of that... never really looked into it.

With the AW11 there will be little annoying problems with the car but with the engine maintenance is nearly optional. It is a stout motor. The only major problems I've had with the 4 AW11 I've owned was with alternators...

I think the Mk1's are a bit like a damn cheese wedge, however I do appreciate the second gen's. One thing I remember from my friends second gen is that working on these things is quite a bitch due to space.

well i called the guy about the elusive "subaru 5spd." turns out it was a oraro, whatever the drunken bastard meant to say i have no idea and was mistyped so it was really a 92. So the old'n'busted mr2 it is. I may try to source a camry motor to shove in.:skid:

Stick with the 4age, I know guy with a 5 valve head for sale for around $300

yeah but i could get a v-6 for that price, and the motor is already toast, i may keep the motor and try to get it running if i ever get another shell though

i drove an ae111 with 20v blacktop every day for about 3 years. GREAT engine.

BUT, they spit rods when taken to/past 8800.

8000 is the stock hard cut on both the ae101 20v and the ae111 20v the redline on the blacktop (ae111) is 8k same as the cut (which you end up hitting regularly if you arent very careful) and i think 7500 on the silvertop. the blacktop is noticeably peppier than the silvertop. it has a significantly different head design for a start that flows better but likes high octane gas, a slightly bigger set of factory extractors to go with the bigger exhaust ports, 3mm larger ITBs 45mm for blacktop and 42mm for silvertop, lighter rods, lightened flywheel, slightly different gear ratios, way different ecu with way different vvt actuation algorithm and map sensing instead of dirty vaf flapper, and consequently a freer flowing intake in their native home.

the lesser motors rev ok, but arent anything spectacular. definitely way way different in character to the b6 mx5. it would make a great swap for an mx5 actually. 165ps for the blacktop and 160ps for the silver provided you feed them 102ron gas. the earlier 4ages feel lazy in comparison but are still peppy engines.

8500 is a good rev limit for a megasquirted 20v motor.

if your rods hold on to 9k, shortly after, the oil pump will explode and leave the motor starved of oil.

obviously neither of those things are good things to have happen :-)

heres "my" one doing 0 -170kph with no air box around the itbs. it has a stock silentish exhaust, all that you can hear is delightful intake noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss7s1uceZgg

here are some pics of it :

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...4/100_2928.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...4/100_2927.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...4/100_2929.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...4/100_2930.jpg

enjoy.

yeah, but the power/efficiency of the 3MZ-FE or the 1MZ-FE is just too big of a draw over a 4 cyl. toughest part will be finding a Mr2 turbo transmission with the build in LSD.

... 3sgte :) better than the camry swap haha, i will continue to post this until accept it.

but the 3sgte has nowhere near the torque, and weighs the same amount, wheres the advantage?

you keep posting. you are right. those v6 engines in stock form dont make the same torque or power as a 3sgte can. if its stock v6 to slightly upped boost 3sgte, the 3s wins every time.

if you turbo the v6 however... the ball game changes :-)

but i'm wanting something that is reliable which means i'm keeping it relatively stock. Comparing stock numbers i do believe the v6's win

depends which one you compare with.

if you take a modern 3sgte it wins on hp by a significant amount, and loses on torque by a little bit. add just 2psi of boost extra, and it will win on both and be factory reliable.

the truth of the 3sgte is that the ct26 found on them is totally crap.

if fitted with a decent turbo and some good manifolds, it could walk on the v6 with good reliability.

plus upgrades are easy as pie with a mild turbo setup. just unmild it.

its a personal choice thing. if you cam up the v6 somewhat out of 'fe' emissions/econo spec it would be a lovely thing i'm sure.

i just have this unrealistic expectation for all NA engines to make 100hp per litre. if they dont, they fall short. the bare minimum is 75/l which those engines struggle to meet. they are built to pull wagons around :-) if you like torque, go for it.

engine swaps are a personal thing anyway. whats best for me isnt for you no doubt.

do what makes you happy! if not, you'll regret it anyway.

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/to...a/1999_1/5727/

engine spec link.

yeah i do like torque, my 240 spoils me compared to the miata. I just want at least one all motor car and i'm looking at this being it, its small and light enough to not have to worry about getting gobs of power to push it. Thx for all the info guys, if i get the car i'll post pics