Neon SRT-4
 

How fast are these things? I met one on the highway the other day and we pretty much tied from 70 to about 110. I know I need spark tuning like nobody's business, but I am still a little shocked that this thing could keep up as well as it did. It also made noises I didn't think stock cars made... like VTA BOV, and very audible turbo spool.

It wasn't stock...

They are a very popular car to upgrade. The factory supported that with it's staged upgrade program that kept the warranty intact. Pretty common for these to be putting 300-400hp to the ground.

They take to mods like a stripper takes to hooking.

The Mopar BOV is a very popular mod and is very loud. It sounds almost like air brakes. I have it on my PT Cruiser and it is much more noticible and easier to set off than the one in my Miata.

more info on the boosted PT?

I have an '05 SRT4, and they're not that fast stock. If you could hear his turbo spool, then he wasn't using the stock exhaust, and probably had other mods.

4155: You know that boosted PTs were offered right?

I've seen one with TURBO on the back but it was riced so I didnt take it seriously. Any good?

They made one with the same engine as the SRT4 (or more correctly, they made a Neon with a PT cruiser engine...), but with a smaller intercooler, so a lower power claim. They also made a low boost version to sell in the PT cruisers. One of the reasons the SRT4 engine is as strong as it is is because Chrysler was desperate to increase PT sales, so they went a little overboard on the engine.

Interesting note - the SRT4 and PT cruiser use the same exhaust manifold with the turbine incorporated to save space, because there's not much room beneath the hood of the PT.

http://webpages.charter.net/westrock...ll/turbo12.JPG

where does the turbo go on that manifold?

I've run one that claimed 450whp and I walked him from 50mph to 135.

The turbine housing and manifold are one casting hustler, take another look. :)

so the wastegate port is the size of a tennis ball?

is the turbo a v-band (left side of manifold at top... you see v-bandage?)

Ya I have a 2003 PT Cruiser GT. I has the HO 2.4 turbo rated at 215hp, 245 tq. This engine was actually designed for the PT and later found its way into the Neon. It's great fun for what it is, and I have surprised a few people with it. Probably on par with a stock NC. But it's doen't seem nearly as much fun as it used to now that my Miata has a turbo on it!

I dislike SRT4's just because of the FWD aspect, not to mention the drivers that are usually douching up the streets in them.

PT cruisers are by far though the worst car on the road. I hate them so much sometimes when I'm near them in traffic I actually think about smashing into them and pushing them off the road.

No hard feelings though if you drive either :bigtu:

Nope, that's the first part of the downpipe. It's a weird design...

What you are looking at is the CHRA side of the turbine housing.

Maybe this will help orient y'all to the pic:

http://hotrod.com/techarticles/engin...9_srt_20_z.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/westrock...ll/turbo11.JPG

Dude i'm so confused on how that works! Diagram? Better pics?

A guy at my school has one that you can hear the turbo whirring noise on but has the stock intercooler. I'll try not to pick on him cause I dont wanna get whooped up on by a Neon haha.

Edit: now I see. Very weird. Cool though :)

On the stock turbo they can run a little over 300whp, low 13's @ 110ish typically. It's a car everyone loves to hate, but for what it is, it's pretty quick. I ran one pretty much dead even in my old SC S2000, made me want to cry.

Last I remember the stock turbo record was 10.9 w/ slicks.

They have some major problems hooking up on street tires. The stock wheels are 6" and I've rolled the fenders for a guy that was trying to fit 225's on an aftermarket wheel. 10.9 is very impressive though, must have been running some serious meth injection and pushing the turbo way beyond it's limits. I've seen a few friends trying (unsuccessfully) to crack 12's on the stock turbo and street tires.

It's ironic to hear such remarks from a Miata driver. I believe that many people share the same, or worse, feeling for our cars. The PT is a very practical car, and compliments my Miata nicely. It works like a mini-mini van, with the flip forward or removable back seats. But it is WAY more fun to drive than a real mini van.(I have one of those as well)

Agree to a point, it's kind of like the drivers of any car that's marketed as fast. Mustangs, Camaros, SRT4s, hell even MSMs to an extent. For my money I got a decently fun car with the capability to carry an infant and some luggage.

I am also torn on where I stand with cars now a days. The reason I own a Miata and believe that it's perfectly acceptable for a Miata to go really fast is this: it's light, it's RWD, it handle's pretty good right outta the car lot, it's a convertable, and it has the only amount of seats needed, two. If you think about it, it's pretty much a scaled down corvette, independent rear and all.
I understand if a Neon SRT-4 beats me in the quarter mile, then that's the way it goes. I just refuse to soup up a car that is FWD, has 4 doors, and has back seats. That car is designed to take the kids to soccer practice and stop at the grocery store on the way home. When I put my turbo on the car, I realized something. The Miata was designed from the factory to be modded and take the abuse. If it was designed to haul 4 people around at a time, and have enough trunk space for 3 shopping carts; then it would also weigh over 3400lbs. So Miata living up to the gay stereotype? I say no. The blinded world needs to realize the purpose of design, and especially HP to weight ratios. When a 1.8 liter stock internal 4 cylinder engine with a small turbo can run with cars with 3 times the motor (LS-1's, Ford Modular's, HEMI's)...that's saying something.

A buddy here at work had a Stage 3(?) SRT-4 that was pretty nice. He's a cool guy and a good driver, and someone hit him pretty hard in it. He said he really liked it, but is looking at Subarus right now....so who knows, must have tired of FWD as well. He used to have a beater Mustang, which supports the theory.

At the time I was still in an Integra that was almost as fast as you could get without going turbo (man how I wish I had). He would walk on me like I walk on stock Neons. I have yet to run into in one in turbo Miata, but it's strange how such an unassuming commuter/rental car can strike fear in your heart.

interesting manifold, different from VW's stuffs.

All you queers getting run over by Neons need to turn of the boost and make some test for the first time in your life.

Sounds like I need moar boooooost (or tuning) but that I shouldn't feel too bad about not walking on him.

That's right Hustler, there's no reason we should be getting beaten by a car like that. This dude at work has a Lancer EVO8, funny thing is, he gets dissed more than me.

Listen junior....I'm sorry I walked away from your mom...she was a fantastic lay, but as soon as you were born I had to leave. It was that or throw you against the mountainside in the tradition of my spartan ancestors. I know you're feeling some teenage angst from never having a real male role model, and I understand you have just discovered this amazing thing called the internet where you can act like you are half the man your father is, but if you type to me like that one more fucking time....I will do to you what I should have done on day one of your pathetic excuse for a life.


*My turbo isn't as big as yours, and I can't turn it up anymore. I'm envious, kinda like that night we went to the 'Stros game at Minute Maid Park and I accidentally looked over a stall when we hit the head.

lmao ^^
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The Pt mani is pretty neat. I like the SRT-4s but I've noticed it has a pretty bad rep. Id say it easily worse then what the Miata has. Wouldnt mind having one of the turbo PTs for a fun daily.

I put about 3 bus lengths on a "400hp" SRT4 in my bone stock Mazdaspeed6 from a 0 - 140mph run... :hustler:

Most fucktards who drive those are bigger douche sticks than the turbo honda tardos... Basically what I'm saying is I don't believe a shitting thing anybody says in reference to the power output of their turbo car until I see it... :facepalm:

He tried to get me to buy it first, told me it "walks Z28 camaros all day long.." :bowrofl: Maybe if every "Z28 Camaro" hes raced was a broke ass V6 with incorrect badging..

Yeah, "I walked Z28's all day long" doesn't mean shit. My car with a voo-doo box on 7psi spanked a lot of Z28's. Of course they were the 93-97 LT-1 cars in stock, or close to stock form, so you gotta be specific about what kind of Z28. Some people also say "I walked that guy on a roll." Wtf is that shit? A roll doesn't count. It's a dead stop line up, and it's over at the 1/4 mile mark. What don't people understand.
The guy who says "I beat a Z28" is nothing compared to the guy who can say "I beat Z06's all day long" and has time slips or video proof to back it up.

There's a lot of us out here that do roll racing.

Roll racing makes sense as a power comparison so you dont have to factor in traction issues coming off the line. There is nothing wrong with roll racing. Passing power is one of the reasons I turbo'd my miata :)

I dont understand why you think its such BS, thirdgen.

Especially if you have a 1.6l rear end. I'm too affraid to launch.

There is nothing wrong with roll racing. It takes away any advantages/disadvantages that might allow a weaker car to beat a stronger car such as: driver, traction, etc. Also there are cars out there that are very fast that would just spin the tires off the line unless they were on slicks. Many weaker awd cars would beat yours if the race was from a standing start and end at the quarter mile marker. Cars that you would otherwise beat.

+1 for rolling starts. To me it's more comparable to real racing...you end up dead nose next to someone coming out of a turn, and have to be them to the next apex.

My city installed pro trees at every stop light because the city counsel thinks roll racing is bullshit.

My city mandated that all horns must beep thrice when depressed because the city counsel thinks drag racing is bullshit.

I still think roll racing is bullshit. Example: This guy I know has a Saab 9-3 turbo and he thinks his car is the fastest car around. He got beaten by this dude he worked with who was driving a '95 Trans AM. He claimed that he lost because they started from a dead stop and said, "if we woulda raced from a roll I woulda won." He got beaten by over 8 car lengths, there's no way he would EVER win. Then he refused to talk to me for like 2 weeks when I told him that he needs to realize his Saab is slow, and even if they raced from a roll (which would only be to eliminate HIS excuses) then he'd still lose. Then what would his excuse be?
Moral is, roll racing is for excuses. I make them too. I still have the stock clutch in my car, so when I leave the line I can't leave hard, cause my clutch will slip the rest of the race. So I leave nice and easy, and then jump on it. This launching technique KILLS my 60' time, which translates to shitty 1/4 time. There are cars I have the power to beat, but there are issues with my car that cause me to turn down certain races. So what am I supposed to do, race from a roll? F that. How about I put a clutch in my car and get it set up correctly. When you eliminate excuses, victory has a genuine meaning.

The point is that its a measure of comparison on power/weight/acceleration levels. You'll get whooped on by N/A civics on slicks but that doesn't mean they're necessarily faster or more powerful in any situation other than the drag strip. How often in real world driving do we launch from a light for a measured quarter mile?

I understand real world driving, but I guess I am trying to say that the comparison of performance to me isn't who pulls away faster at 65mph. I prefer to show a time slip or a dyno sheet. Just a matter of opinion. As you may or may not know, my car dyno'd at 210rwhp and I never had a timeslip better than a 14.4. Those numbers SUCK ASS. I raced a 2006 Mustang GT like 3 weeks ago, rolling from 2nd gear, and I beat him by several car lengths. If we woulda raced from a dead stop, I'm pretty certain I woulda lost. Point is, if I want to do any kind of racing, I should win no matter how the race is goin down, stop or roll. Wayne, I noticed you are running the same turbo as me and also an MS-1 v.3, what kind of boost are you running / did you ever dyno?

Try and think of roll racing as just another form of racing because that's all it really is.

Haven't dyno'd yet. Running the stock MSPNP spark map so i'm not expecting big numbers. Running 12psi, stock exhaust.

my buddy had a stage 3 SRT-4, did about 325 on the dyno iirc. I hated that car with a passion. From the line it was literally worthless. From a roll it would scoot, but torque steered like crazy. He wasn't even to sad when he had to sell it.

There is always gonna be a faster car. There was a 700+whp SRT4 around here, built by AMS. I bet that Neon would hand your your ass. :loser: :laugh:

I got a Z06 you can run. Built/Tuned/Owned by LG in Dallas.

This is his other Vette:


Yes, I LOVE THAT VIDEO!!

I blew mine gently pulling out of a parking lot.

Good luck beating even a slow AWD car in the 1/8th mile. My friend with the WRX killed me from a dig....by at least 10 cars, but from a roll, we were dead even.

Getting a good launch can make your car seem faster than it really is. It takes alot of power to offset a shitty launch.

From a roll, you don't have to argue over who was running street tires, and who is running DRs. Or who has 205s vs 275s, etc. I'm doing as much as I can to get the power down on my car, but I'm not buying R-compounds that only last 2k-3k miles. I'm running 245 Eagle F1s, but even 2d is hard to keep from just spinning. I am sure alot has to do with the fact that it's got a road race suspension setup, not a drag (soft) setup. I have played with my wife a few times, and she has a 200whp Beetle, and from a dig she holds me till about 40, and then I am past her like she is sitting still. She can go WOT and get a tad bit of wheel spin, but I have to barely gas it or I'll just spin. I get on it after I get into 2d, even then, I'm not WOT, but I still fly past her easily. 3d gear, traction, and I yanked a C5 Z06 like it was nothing when I was tuning it (WOT 3d pulls), and he had a 2 car head start.

Most rolls are closer to 40. Only Hondas/FWD go from a 60+.
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I'm holding 30th place. I dyno'd the next day at 211whp/189tq.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Just like some people think that 1/4 mi times matter. Who the fuck cares. Those fuckers wouldn't be close to me on a road course.

You can go fast in a straight line? Whoopty fucking do. Real cars TURN, and not just LEFT! - Me