Nissan GTR Owners Will Have Problems With Modification
 

Japanese GT-Rs are speed-limited for the street: As has been widely reported, unless it's driven on a preapproved racetrack, a stock Japanese-spec GT-R is limited to 180 kph (111.8 mph) with the factory settings. GPS sensors in the navigation system track vehicle position and communicate with the ECU. Try to exceed 180 kph, and a warning light will appear on the instrument panel. Only shutting the car off and restarting it will get the light to disappear.

But can be run all-out at the track: Running a GT-R at the track requires scrolling through menus in the on-board computer and selecting the racetrack option that bypasses the speed limiter. Only then can the car be run to its full potential.

Though it'll cost you: Once the track day is over, owners who have run their GT-Rs over the speed limit are required to take them to a preapproved Nissan High Performance Center for a safety check. Failure to perform this $1000 service will void the factory warranty.

As for the wheel and tire rumor: That the factory wheels cannot be removed without sending an error code to the ECU, MINE'S has proven this myth wrong. It's been able to take off wheels, rotate them, and even change to higher-performance, non-run-flat tires. It did have to take the wheels to the Nissan dealership to get the job done at great expense; MINE'S ended up paying about $230 per wheel in labor.

Putting aftermarket rims on a GT-R is a different story: Because of a sensor located near the valve stem in each wheel, it isn't possible for the car to run on aftermarket rims without throwing an error code. All blinged-out GT-Rs at Auto Salon got there on stockers and only then were the shoes changed.

Some mild mods are possible: MINE'S has modified the exhaust system and a replacement air-filter element, both of which have reportedly made substantial extra power. It's also upgraded the brake rotors and switched to GT-R's suspension system to a coil-over system with no ECU problems.

But not all: MINE'S has tried replacing the factory air box and intake system with a high-flow cone-style system, but found its car will not run right. Raising the boost pressure on the twin turbos, a common way to increase power, also triggered errors in the extremely sensitive ECU.

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It's the same shit with the MZR turbo engines from Mazda. The first year there were big problems just engineering a CAI that wouldn't throw a cel. There are 3 piggybacks for it now, including Xede (thanks Bell for making a PnP harness for MS6) but really only a handful of companies doing anything for the MS6/MS3... the Nissan gurus will figure it out with the GTr, it'll just take awhile and be absurdly expensive.

So basically what they say about the new GT-R is true,a overpriced,overhyped money pit.

If they made them easy to modify, every asshole who bought one would throw on a ton of aftermarket shit, break it, and then bring it back for expensive warranty service.

aka EVO/STI.

First I have heard of this. This is exactly why I won't buy new cars. I can go out to my Miata and do just about anything I want and it will be fine. Cars today throw codes ALL the time. Hell, tire pressure sensors are getting so sophisticated you need to hook up a dealer scanner to turn them off.

I'm happy with obd1.

...and my reasoning that Porsches are better still stand. LMAO at the suckers that buy the new GTR.

True for the evo/sti comment, but GT-R cost more.

The thing is, for a 911 turbo, there are none of these restrictions. It's not as technically capable of a car. However, it was their goal and as such i think they should have kept limitations to this degree to a level that is manageable. I honestly think someone started realizing the car would throw a CEL for a bunch of random things, then someone said "wait...lets see how far we can take it"

:bowdown:

Its also ridiculous that you have to pay $500-700 on mandatory service which comprised of rotating tires, new plugs, and a new pollen filter.

Well it is fast as shit, and has a back seat...

thats why im waiting for nc msm... i think im gonna pick one up early next year :)

Bhahaha, good one.

Even though it's hard to modify, the car is still fast as hell, it doesn't really need much done to it. It's just fast, I never been in one but according to all the tests and review it's a beast. Just go read the new road and track magazine review.

Also with all this wah wah ECU codes someone will crack the ECU and have a flash for it or someone will make a stand-alone. bam problems solved.

mine's already cracked the ecu

Leave the 911TT for the boulevard posers. I still would rather have the Porsche GT3 over a Nissan GTR anyday. The Porsche GT3 is worth the extra coin it would cost.

cept when the GTR handed you your ass then what? least you can roll down the strip and pick up wimmen and blow?

I put down 3 laps in a gt3 rs and it scared me. I don't think I'd drive one.

Then.. accelerate somewhere over 111mph and challenge him/her to follow. :bowrofl:

with a cracked/standalone ecu i bet they would =P

^And there goes your warranty.

911 Turbo thank you. At least then you are actually comparing AWD to AWD.

Besides the GT3 is not a comfortable car you can even pretend to use somewhere other than the track or taking on the street to be obnoxious.

<--- Wants a ride in a GT3. Screw the GTR.

Yeah fuck skylines i wouldn't want there waranty if they where that stupid. BTW what do they do if you buy a car with no NAV system i don't know about the rest of you guys but i absolutley do not any way shape or form of being tracked anywhere near me while i am driving. If i breack the limit etc, and they catch me it is a different story but if cybernanny catches me that is bullshit becouse we all know computers are only as competent as the person/s who program them, and even then with the wrong interpretation you can get in a world of hurt. If any of that shit is true i hope they dont sell a single fucking car they can choke on there poser skylines.

I have gotten one. 996.

Amazing car.

Luxury + Astounding performance.

Rather have it then the 300hp atom I got a ride in later that day.

AutoX whoring = win. The atom was on the street, GT3 on the course.

996 C4 is absolutely by far my favorite of all time car to drive, except I hate hate hate HATE the shifter.. Feels worse than my Mazdaspeed6 shifter, but thats just me. The MS6 is the very first car I've ever owned or driven on daily basis which didn't have a shifter sticking OUT of the transmission, so I'm really used to a VERY tight pattern. Honestly though I wouldn't be that petty about a 996. The car I drove also had some retarded priced aftermarket exhaust system on it and the sounds which came from that car.. TOTAL SEX.

Same goes with most cars you take to the drag strip if you read the tiny fine print. Evo's are known most for that. Take your Evo 8/9/X to the strip to pwn some newbs and when you get a photo mailed to you of your license plate and a letter that says "you went to the drag you broke warranty blah blah blah".

99% of dealerships that see a warrantied car with a cai on are going to void the whole powertrain warranty thats nothing new, this all seems like simple shit that will be bypassed easily.

Take your plate off at the track :bang:
I've heard of Mazda employees in disguise grabbing pics of RX8 plates with their camera phones at the track. Subie probably does it too.

until you tell them you are aware of the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.

fill me in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act


nutshell: part must be proven to cause failure to void warranty.

Problem is it will cost you to fight a dealership to have them honor your warranty. That's what they bank on.

Frank

unless listed by the company to void. I work for chrysler parts and all the performance parts show in the fine print that if you install any performance part that your warranty will automatically be voided. I think its funny because so many srt owners but factory upgrades to keep their warranty but its voided as soon as you install the part.

nismo parts don't void a nissan warranty (i don't believe), thats just dumb that chrysler parts would, or any other factory parts for that matter. And if something breaks just put the OEM parts back on then take it back :dunno:

who buys a Chrsyler and wants to install aftermarket parts? oh shit, these wood door panels voided my drivetrain warranty on my cruiser.

Does the parts counter or saleman tell the customers this before they go ahead and spend thousands on factory performance upgrades? or do they tell them after they fucked up their cars.

Yup!!!! who the fuck buys Chrysler nowadays.They gotta be the worst car manufacturer that produces piss poor quality cars.

Yes you do, my main point is at the end of the day you have a Porsche in the garage and not a Nissan. Sorry, you will never convince me to pony up 100 large for a Nissan. Ever. :jerkit:

$100k? Let's keep the facts straight here:

2009 Nissan GTR = $69850
2008 Porsche GT3 = $107,500 ($124.9 for the RS)

The Porsche is 50% more expensive than the Nissan....they are not even in the same ballpark when it relates to cost. As far as total cost of ownership, we all know how reliable and low maintenance Japanese cars can be, and when they do break they are cheap to fix. Porsche owners can not say the same.

Second point - why has Nissan chosen to alienate their core customer?!? If they are trying to lure away Porsche and Corvette Z06 drivers, they should embrace those owners' desire to drive their cars at the limit, not police it. To the earlier points, any modification at all will void the warranty, so why do they need to use restrictive electronics systems to do the same thing? Let the guys who want to have fun with their cars do so.

Chrysler as in dodge, jeep, and chrysler. Ive sold only a handful of performance parts and always tell the cust. about the warranty.

Except you forgot about this:

http://www.speedforsale.com/viewcar....n%20GT-R%20R35

Which if I read that correctly, and Nissan DOES follow through with non-transferable warranty from buyer to buyer in the first 12 months of ownership, Technically the buyer of those cars for minimum 7,500USD OVER THE FUCKING RETAIL PRICE (with no guarantee date of WHEN you'll get your POS...) and you're SOL with Warranty. Thats my take on it, but I might not be reading between the lines correctly far as warranty goes.

However your $75,000.00 Nissan (:giggle:) top model GT-R is now marked up to at least $82,500 with no guarantee when you'll get it, add in sales taxes where I live and you're sitting at $88,811.25 plus title, shipping, and plates.... That $107,500.00 Porsche GT3 is looking pretty god damn good to me for a thoroughbred Sports car with endless modifications available....Like Aftermarket wheels. Oh, and it'll go over 120mph..... STOCK. :giggle::bowrofl:

Plus face it, Maybe I'm a mini-Porsche Elitest in the making.. But its kinda hard to put a Nissan against a Porsche FFS. You can make a honda accelerate quicker than a Ferrari Enzo, but come on...

Let's get real, once the "Adjusted Market Value" charge hits you won't sniff a GTR for 70k. Your foolish. Hey, case in point, Enzos were supposed to be
600k but were selling for a cool mil. Carrera GTs were supposed to be 400k or so, but were selling for almost double that. Hell, even the Smart cars are selling for 28k down here. They are listed for 15,800. Something hot and new on the market will always get marked up. Dealers don't care, if you don't pay it someone else waiting in line will.

As for the cost of fixing it, you make a lame point. Trust me, peeps paying 100k for a car don't care about maintenance issues anyway.

I have owned Porsche's, and I can tell you from experience, that the cars are just as reliable as long as you stay on top of it, just like any other car. Parts for my Porsche were cheaper than our Mazda 626 at the time go figure.

But you would for an infinity :giggle:

Seriously, that's just a dumb thing to say. "God, I won't pay 80,000 for a Honda...good thing I'm buying an ACURA NSX."

Nope, I don't buy into the higher marques of the Japanese companies, but the parent companies are smart. The Acura NSX (only in N.America) was a Honda NSX, but Americans, primarily, wouldnt pay 80k for a Honda badge. They knew that. Why do you think they offer it under a different brand? Same with Lexus. Toyota knew people would pony up money for a Lexus GSwhatever, but it was a Toyota whatever in Japan. Do you think they would get as much coin if it sold as a Toyota over here? Probably not.