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ecc3189 02-22-2014 09:23 AM

The P1 vs. the i8 vs. the 918 vs. the NSX
 
Who's excited for some epic showdowns like we had with the F1-Enzo-SLR-Carrera GT days?? So excited!!!!:drool::drool::drool::drool:

That and the Ford GT, which I hope to god Ford discovers the opportunity to bring the GT back to relevancy and create a hybrid supercar version. I would buy one in a heartbeat (in my head of course :facepalm:)

ecc3189 02-22-2014 09:25 AM

OH! I forgot about the LaFerrari, can't leave that beut out of the mix. And if Audi brings some of its Le Mans magic to make an R8 hybrid

GDSpeed 02-22-2014 01:33 PM

Eh, I don't really care much. Partly because I care much less about any of these cars vs. their 10-20 year old ancestors, and partly because I'll likely never see any in person much less ever buy one.

Savington 02-22-2014 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by GDSpeed (Post 1105075)
Eh, I don't really care much. Partly because I care much less about any of these cars vs. their 10-20 year old ancestors, and partly because I'll likely never see any in person much less ever buy one.

You should care, at least a little bit, and at least about the P1. We'll see hybrid drivetrains in "pedestrian" supercars (Gallardo/458/R8) inside of 5 years, and that tech will trickle to sub-$50k cars within 10 years.

NiklasFalk 02-22-2014 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1105078)
You should care, at least a little bit, and at least about the P1. We'll see hybrid drivetrains in "pedestrian" supercars (Gallardo/458/R8) inside of 5 years, and that tech will trickle to sub-$50k cars within 10 years.

When will the first electrically assisted/complemented turbos surface on the aftermarket?
Ok, it's F1 currently, but will trickle down too I guess.

gearhead_318 02-22-2014 06:27 PM

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Electric turbos are nothing new. I've had one for years, they are very popular.
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ecc3189 02-22-2014 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by NiklasFalk (Post 1105104)
When will the first electrically assisted/complemented turbos surface on the aftermarket?
Ok, it's F1 currently, but will trickle down too I guess.

There is nothing to stop you from doing it yourself. Tons of DIY electric cars out there. I have dreams myself of running electric motors in the front hubs for "torque fill" and regenerative braking. But these are far off dreams...getting the dumb thing running is my immediate goal :D

NiklasFalk 02-23-2014 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by ecc3189 (Post 1105133)
There is nothing to stop you from doing it yourself. Tons of DIY electric cars out there. I have dreams myself of running electric motors in the front hubs for "torque fill" and regenerative braking. But these are far off dreams...getting the dumb thing running is my immediate goal :D

I was referring to the MGU-H in F1 2014, a "normal" turbo which has a electrical motor attached to the compressor, making it possible to torque fill that way (spin the compressor electrically as a "response system") and to charge the battery instead of opening the wastegate.

Sparetire 02-23-2014 09:05 AM

I wonder how much of a 'super scavenging effect' you could create by spinning the turbo with an electric motor at low RPM. Basically creating a brief state where the engine is not only getting some boost from the compressor wheel spinning, but also having ex. gases drawn out due to the turbine spinning. Probably would have a span of like .5 seconds in an environment like an F1 car before you had the ex gas volume come up due to the boost, but it is sort of cool. In a road car you might conceivably get a really efficient lean AFR burn thing going for economy.

Sam TII 02-25-2014 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1105078)
You should care, at least a little bit, and at least about the P1. We'll see hybrid drivetrains in "pedestrian" supercars (Gallardo/458/R8) inside of 5 years, and that tech will trickle to sub-$50k cars within 10 years.

This is a good point. What I'd really like are aftermarket "hybrid" kits you can retrofit onto non driving wheels e.g. make your Mazdaspeed 3 a sort of AWD hybrid by having some electric motors retrofitted to the back. Would probably drive like crap though unless you had a pretty sophisticated controller to control the "throttle" on the electric motors.

NiklasFalk 02-25-2014 05:38 PM

Aftermarket hybrid installs build as flywheel/clutch replacements (there is space to do something there at least)?
Reasonable similar solution on all cars I guess.

ecc3189 02-26-2014 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by NiklasFalk (Post 1105211)
I was referring to the MGU-H in F1 2014, a "normal" turbo which has a electrical motor attached to the compressor, making it possible to torque fill that way (spin the compressor electrically as a "response system") and to charge the battery instead of opening the wastegate.

Ah, I hadn't thought of that! I really like that idea but I'm sure it is tricky getting a generator to work near/in such a high heat area. I wonder if you could extend the compressor shaft into another set of bearings then to a generator to avoid exhaust heat somewhat.

ecc3189 02-26-2014 08:34 AM

I see how they did it for the F1 car, really cool stuff. Can't believe I hadn't been paying attention to all of the new tech they introduced o.O

viperormiata 02-26-2014 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1105078)
You should care, at least a little bit, and at least about the P1. We'll see hybrid drivetrains in "pedestrian" supercars (Gallardo/458/R8) inside of 5 years, and that tech will trickle to sub-$50k cars within 10 years.

Pretty much this. And look at the S class for future safety standards and other things of that nature.


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