Q for PS3 owners...
 

so i have this $439 Bestbuy GC and have a buncha responses on trades:
option 1: OG 20GB PS3 (emotion engine, extremely backwards compatible) w/ only "Resistance" game and Talledega Nights blu-ray

option 2: like new 80GB PS3 w/ no games. (have trouble playing GT4 w/ latest firmware)

assuming i'm mainly buying the PS3 for blu-ray and PS2 compatibility, which of the 2 would you chose? and no, i don't want WII/XBOX360.

TIA! :bigtu:

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If thats all you plan to use it for get the 20gb one. The ps3 hdd is user upgradeable so you can always buy a bigger one on newegg in the future.

Is the 20 backwards compatible, and how many controllers can it support would be my questions.

Be sure what you're getting actually has PS2 compat. They removed it from lower-end models at some point.

-Mike

If WII & X360 is not an option ...
I would choose neither of the options above :) I just have a different point of at Sony compared to most (if not all) of you ;)

P.P.S. Keep in mind the 80GB PS3 is lacking half of the hardware for backwards compatibility - if that matters to you.

80gig. I have the 80 gig and ill double check, but my copy of GT4 works

Actually for 439 i would go by a new 40 gig

new 40GBs don't play SACDs. I've read multiple confirmed reports of GT4 not running well w/ 80GB vers after firmware upgrade. also 20GB and 60GB are the only 2 vers that have emotion engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3

my final choice i can get a new 80GB + 5 Blu-ray DVDs for $400 after rebate: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665225458

but i'm really afraid of the software ps2 emu...

again, thanks for the input all1

I have yet to have a problem, but so far all ive really played is GTA San Andreas.

Btw Tony, what's that desire about getting a PS3?

X360 is the much better option when you look at the software library.

The X360 is the lead development platform at the majority of the game companies and the PS3 is the thing which gets the quick port (which most devs don't even care to polish well) ...
This is how it's been and unlikely to change this generation because the Microsoft development platform and support is light years ahead ...

Unless you really really want it to play some particular game which is exclusive on the PS3 ...

Man some people dont read, and whats worse is that some ppl dont know what they are talking about.... :bigtu: Last i heard xbox has been the lead platform cause its been the only one. From what i understand things are moving over to the PS3.

360 was first to the market - the year alone helped with the sales. That install base plus the great tools from Microsoft makes it an easy choice as primary development platform (along with the PC) and an easy excuse to convince the people who give the dev money what to be the leading platform. And from what I've seen/experienced I doubt much will change this generation ...
And I haven't seen much difference in development platforms choices (360 vs PS3) nowadays vs an year ago ...

About the PS2 compatibility - just get one of the new slim PS2 and be done with it. PS3 won't bring you anything on that front - most PS2 games even look better on native PS2 than emulated on PS3 ...

P.S. Btw my experiences/views are not from the consumer/gamer side, but from where the stuff gets created ...

Fuck all that get a megasquirt

why spend $400 to play ps2 games? if I were getting a ps3, I'd get the newest/bestest/mostest mack daddyest. and if I had to play ps2, I'd do it on the ps2.
:confused:

Exactly. And on top of that the PS2 plays the PS2 games better than the PS3.

and the ps2 is like $20 used when some kids wants to upgrade.

nuff said

And you'll choose the console you buy by what they look like and not by the games available? :rofl: :rofl:

I thought those people visit mostly cr.net ... :rofl:

well the more mature looking console brings the more mature titles/players in my experience, but i won't enter a pissing match because then my Wii will short out:cool:

if the more mature titles are those by dev folks with white hair (not from the age) almost ready to commit suicide because of all the headaches Sony put on them ... :D

j_man. i don't know what your "grudge" is against Sony, nor do i really wish to dive into that abyss but...

i want Blu-Ray player. i play (some, tho not that many) PS2 games. GT5 is in my future. a really specific Q was asked because of my personal situation which is: i own a PS2 which is finally dying after 8 years. i'm running out of component in's ni my H/K component-switching AVR 7300. it's either PS2 or PS3. and i just got a Marantz VP-12S2 (which happens to be for sale.

the PS3 will be my new DVD player/game console. there is really no argument, merely which "package" to buy.

again, thanks to all those who contributes... and to those who couldn't - you know what your mom said.

cept he wants blu ray, plus ps3 upconverts ps2 games

PS3 is better looking than the Xbox360. I have had both(ultimate with hddvd drive and all the goodies), so the 'fanboy' in me is based on experience

Other than the controller the xbox has got nothing on the ps3, other than a library of games, which will improve when the ps3 has been out for as long as the xbox has.

PS. Uncharted was worth the 600 bucks for th ps3 that game is unbelievable.

You want the 80 or 60 GB version.. since your paying at best buy.. you need to get the 80 to play the PS2 games. Not to mention the 40GB does not have wireless controllers. My 60GB plays PS2 games just fine. I bought several just for fun (GTA/Bully/Prince of Persia). Blu-Ray is stank nasty if your TV supports 1080p, and amazon runs buy one get one free sales on them making it even more appealing.

Suggestions for first games to buy:
Warhawk
Ratchet and Clank

40 gig doesnt have wireless controllers?

http://www.fye.com/PS3-SYSTEM-40-GIG...VVviewprod.htm

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1190677842792

Games: Uncharted, All Pro Football (its fun and i dont know why), and COD4

Offtopic- Anyone hope for netflix support for watching movies? That would be awesome.

I don't know Tony. Doesn't sound like any of your choices are ideal if you are just considering what you can get with your GC. Honestly, I'd invest in a higher quality standalone Blu-Ray player/HD player with my GC then look through ebay for a deal on a PS2. I've thought about getting a PS3 because it's a hell of a deal for a combo Blu-Ray/Game console but I don't have to worry about backward comptability with old games.

As for the console wars:

PS3 has tons of capability but it's being wasted right now. When PS3 actually gets a library, I'm there. Right now, you're paying premium prices for vaporware when you can pay discount prices for real games later.

In the meantime, Xbox Live kicks the crap out of Sony's multi-player/network offering. Neither of them can compare to PCs but Xbox is at least playable. When PS3 gets a library, I could have already have gone through every Gears of War, Halo 3, and CoD4 achievment. :bigtu:

My mistake, for some reason I thought they carried that trait over from the 20 GB. It does have 2 less USB, which I thought would never matter, but actually does in the long run.

I have to say, I've only demo'd Uncharted, but damn if it isn't cool.

The advantage to ps3 bluray is the ability to upgrade it, other players wont be upgradable.

As for xbox live, its like playing through pop up ads (again played on both ps3 and xbox), theres nothing like having free access to demos and online play. Makes the game more enjoyable.

Although I am looking forward to Lost PLanet for PS3. That should be fun.

You gotta remember I had (3) ps3s die on me. (first gen that was DOA, 2nd one died in the move to my apt. and the 3rd's PS failed)

So I tried to like xbox, but it was ugly, loud, and i used up most of my usb ports with wireless adapters and hddvd drive. The games we ok, but the user interface was hideious and unnatural. And paying for online play after i bought the game, when it was free for PCs drove me nuts

Xbox does have better controllers.

MS is after a different market then PS3. thats why Xbox has such a cheap initial price points but pricey add ons. Let the kids save up get the system, then in a few weeks of some more allowance get the wireless or hd dvd drive.

There is truth to this. My neighbor is a lead developer for RockStar here in Carlsbad; he manages the technical development of the Midnight Club series. There is indeed a huge bias within that company (and the dev commnity as a whole) that the PS3 is a sadly brain-dead platform. For example- its main CPU has no fixed->float operation in its instruction set, requiring loads of otherwise "simple" math to be offloaded into the GPU for preprocessing, wasting a fair amount of time and code. He also complains long and hard about the state of the IDE and the compiler itself- the development environment provided by Sony is apparently still buggy.

I wouldn't say that the PS3 games are all going to be "quick ports, without polish" but you're spot-on in that the Xbox360 is getting first priority, and that it's being considered the primary target platform.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...TH&btnG=Search

Thats y I wont even look at xbox...considering a buddy of mine got one and got the red ring of death. Besides I hate microsoft products but im biased cuz i have the PS3

I like Sony consoles going back to the original Playstation so I really tried to like the PS3. Like I said, it has ton's of capability and when it gets games I like, I'm there. I'm not going to argue against anything said about one platform versus the other in terms of which is "better"...except the multiplayer capability. If you prefer free, sucky Sony online, that's you. ;)


Really, the deciding factor for me is which platform all my console gamer friends play. We play Xbox because of the ability to play each other over Xbox Live and the simple fact that Xbox actually has fun multiplayer games. We are all in our 30's and 40's, have decent jobs, mortgages, whatever, and a lot of us actually own both platforms. I think a lot of it does have to do with the head start Xbox had, but it's up to Sony to catch up with actual content.

i had xbox live back for Halo 2 for a couple months, but in the end ditched it for PC online games because they had free online play, i don't like to pay subscriptions which is why my name is still black instead of blue

Yeah, the PC is actually my platform of choice. I used to play all my FPS on PC for free. I still play MMOs online. I guess that's how I got used to the idea of subscription fees. There's no way clunky controllers can compete with keyboard/mouse. Honestly, if my friends playing consoles playded PCs, i probabaly never would have picked up a new gen console.

I have had both your getting your consoles confused...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/22/x...s-weekend-ouc/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/25/x...christmas-day/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/28/x...-difficulties/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/29/x...sh-with-irony/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/31/x...en-days-later/
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/01/x...ng-except-not/

I would have done more research but i was too busy playing online with my friends... :eek:..with my crappy free service :bowdown:


PS/ I have heard that if you have xboxlive and you get the red ring of death, you do not get credit for the time that MS has your box for repairs...

The only reason that i would buy a ps3 is for Gran Turismo.

Now i was at the Tokyo Game Show in 2006 when the PS3 was introduced. I also stood in the line for 30 minutes to play GT HD while i was there. It truly is a beautiful game but it is still not worthy of the title GT5.

So my money will not be wasted on Sony's product until they get a firmware updates on the ps3, drop the prices a bit more, and finish GT5. My ps2 slim works great, has lots of great titles to play, and was cheap.

Yup, it is not just that company, the majority have the exact same attitude ...

Yup, the Sony tools are retarded compared to the Microsoft offerings. Last gen there was so much grumpiness towards Sony's junk but people had to do the games because the install base was big and the money were there ... Even if the first Xbox or PC were the main dev platforms on a project we always had to keep the PS2 stuff running and while coding to keep the PS2 in mind and its restrictions because it was the lead (lead = where the money from sales come from) SKU

This gen Microsoft has a good install base. The money are good (compare November 1.5million sales of CoD4 on 360 vs a little over 100K (a sad number) for a gem like Uncharted) so isn't it the perfect time for all those folks to do a revenge on Sony? ;)

Yeah, because everyone and their mothers are trying to play on xbox live, especially on the holidays vs the all those 5 people total trying to play on the 3 games the PS3 has ... :rofl:

I know! 3 awesome games and I was able to play them when I want!

Its like laughing at the three people shopping at circuit city while 3million of you wait inline to pile into walmart...

Just because a system is popular doesn't make it good.

I'm more then happy with the game library I have going on my PS3.. I dont need 3,000 good games, I'm happy with my 4-6 great games that I play on the console. I barely have time for them as it stands.

For the record
-I personally have NEVER had an xbox live network problem in 3-3.5 years of subscription Gold level service
-One of the things that makes network multi player games fun is having a lot of people to play with & against. It gives you the option to play more games against a wider range of strategies and skill levels. Maybe things are better now, but the couple of times I've tried the Sony service, it was lame b/c there were not enough people on line to make anything happen.

News to me but I was hanging out with family on Christmas. Haven't had any trouble since. Wouldn't personally know about the Ring of Death either.

I'm not trying to be obtuse. I understand that you are trying to point out major issues with Xbox and Xbox Live, but sorry. I'm still happily playing games like Gears of War, Halo 3, and CoD4 against my friends over Xbox Live. I'm glad you are having fun with your friends on PS3. I'm not sure what you guys are playing, but I'm glad you guys are having fun. :bigtu:

BTW, I tried to do a search on Sony's PS3 online service but I couldn't find much past the initial descriptions in 2006. I guess no news is good news.

CoD4, Resistance, and Warhawk.... oh yeah and UNREAL!!!

Yeah, I was trying to avoid the cheapshot, which would be comparing PS3 owners complaining about problems with Xbox Live to a group of people playing a game of Gin Rummy complaining about the loud party next door which always ends with people puking on their lawn and throwing furniture through the window.

Truth is, one of my biggest complaints about Xbox Live is the sheer number of dumbasses you have to deal with online. It does make for better competition though and it does make a headshot a lot more gratifying.

Damn good games. Played the hell out of UT on my PC.

'cept ive been to that party and its a sausage fest. Ill stay home with the women folk

PS. I wish PCs were still numero uno gaming, but 46" lcd is hard to get away from.

If anyone beat COD4 how do you deal with the sniping issue in Chernobyl at the Ferris wheel?

Yeah, the good news is that PC monitors are getting bigger and bigger and cross platform gaming is going to be widespread soon enough. One of the major issues that has to be dealt with though is controller versus mouse/keyboard.

SUNNABITCH. i was DREAMING about making a PS3 decision last nite..

responding to some replies: i hardly play video games. ain't no gaming otaku and definitely no online gamer. gaming falls right above "shitting" in the importance of my daily routine. i've looked at various blu-ray players and for $150 more in GC money, i can get myself a new gaming console which i hope to use as bonding time w/ the chickie at home. no more, no less. really, it's for the blu-ray and my PJ...

again, thanks for all the responses. now htf do i close this bitch?