Re: Head job on m.net
I thought this post was kinda funny -
Originally Posted by davidb
I don't want to engage Hobie or Al in a debate over this--frankly, visions of P.T. Barnum and his famous quote come to mind when I read most of Hobie's posts--but I've got three heads all with good 3 angle valve jobs on them. I've dynoed all of them--one has valve pockets machined and some porting work, close to the seat where it matters-- but ,they all dyno out well, I even made a special plate so I could isolate leak down, they seal perfectly even after many long track days where I routinely, turn 7600, and the work stands up; the car is fast! The labor cost on these heads has never exceeded $300, and I'm a retail customer!!
Find a shop with modern CNC stuff, and don't get hustled. I've been doing this stuff a long time, and I've done most of it myself- I know how much it should cost! On the other hand, if you guys are talking flowing every port to the absolute max, you're wasting time and money. Oh yeah, After the head has been disasembled it takes about 5 minutes to replace seals. |
and what was the poet trying to say in this piece?
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Originally Posted by whaaamx5
(Post 168670)
and what was the poet trying to say in this piece?
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=256047 |
Hobie responds like he didn't realize he just got owned.
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Hobie has become -
HOBIE - "DEFENDER OF THE HIGH PRICE SPONSORS" It's almost like he gets a kick back from making sure that everyone buys from the sponsors. I have observed this phenomenon quite a bit with him lately. He must be getting discounts from them........ |
actually its a whole different phenomena, he is so sold on the product that he is a "blind believer" and in his opinion that is the only way since he took that route, he doesnt want to be the only one and wants others to take it as well
that probably makes no sense, but i tried |
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That hobie guy is a fucking idiot! well I'm not really that suprised cause,after all he is one of Gary's "supporting members".
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i want a valve job, how much should it cost.
$20,000. why? cause im my world the valve job would have to include a built miata from FM. |
Originally Posted by black jesus
You really need to tone down the disrespect. FM invented the turbo charger. You could at least have some respect for them for that. Many people don't know this, but they also created the band KISS, who did it first, mapped the genome, and they have a cure for AIDS in the works too. I'm confident that if you dropped off your head to an inferior shop, they'd call FM and ask for help because no one has ever done work on a miata, without asking FM's permission first.
Seriously, check your attitude. You've been warned. |
My response to Hustler's post.:rofl:
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FM doesn't even do their own fucking head work, they farm it out to a local machine shop just like we all would do. All these ------ interweb shops are the same. They don't want you to know you can take your head to virtually any machine shop and have it rebuilt for $150 as long as the guides and valves are good.
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OK, that one was entertaining :)
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Originally Posted by jwarriner
(Post 168994)
FM doesn't even do their own fucking head work, they farm it out to a local machine shop just like we all would do. All these ------ interweb shops are the same. They don't want you to know you can take your head to virtually any machine shop and have it rebuilt for $150 as long as the guides and valves are good.
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im sure corky bell knows. give him a call. ;)
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Originally Posted by spike
(Post 168999)
You should find out which shop they use to get the heads done and leak out the info on m.net.
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and you some how think that they're going to make this connection over the interwebz?
btw, they'll tell you what shop they use if you FUCKING ASK |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 168998)
i have heared many versions of this story, i dont know which one is the real idiot that started it all with his ingenious idea, so far the search on m.net returns nothing, so it may be another forum that hosts this bright individual :dancegay: |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 169010)
btw, they'll tell you what shop they use if you FUCKING ASK
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Also, they may have agreements with FM that they charge the same amount if people try and go direct. |
Originally Posted by spike
(Post 168935)
My response to Hustler's post.:rofl:
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 169025)
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I spent about $2500 on FM upgrades for my MSM and other random stuff over the years. They would always answer the phone when I called, but the unenthusiastic support I got wasn't worth the huge markup I submitted to... actually they never solved a problem for me, even with multiple calls.
I haven't sworn them off completely, but I'm certainly not part of the Cult of FM anymore. |
yay! You've seen the light.
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FM would be rad if any two of the following were true:
1) Their prices were good 2) They had interesting/good stuff other people didn't have 3) They didn't have interweb fanboyz 4) They didn't sell the Link ECU or Hydra Nemesis |
unfortunately the turbo-spec miata class guys are all FM fanboys. I was talking to a guy about his build, and I told him I had MS. He responded with, "well, the car isn't tuned yet, but I can take the data log out and tune it in the trailer."
Apparently people think non-FM parts are medieval alchemy. He also thought the bell kit was inferior and a bunch of other stupid shit that I don't remember. However, 300+whp in a <2100lb car really did more around that track. FM would make more money off me if their prices were reasonable. I've purchased a few things from them, but only because no one else made them or had them readily available. |
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