Recommend a winter vehicle
 

Looking at buying a car that gets good gas mileage (at a decent speed) for Tahoe trips this winter. Drive is ~400 miles each way.
Requirements are that it can seat 4 guys, boards on top, our crap in trunk. A wagon would be preferred but definitely not required. AWD is definitely a plus as well but I'd rather have fuel economy. Budget is hopefully around $5k or less. I'll take suggestions that are more than that, but they get dinged right away because of it.

Right now I'm looking at something like a Jetta TDI because they get ~45mpg at 80mph. I've also considered an older Suby but don't believe they get the mileage I'm looking for.

Suggestions?

Old Volvo wagon.

What kind of fuel economy do you think they get? I'm going to go ahead and say not enough.

Holy crapoly you guys have to drive far for good snow.
Move to Sac:D
Subaru if you can find one around here that's not overpriced by 200%. Its ridiculous right now.

If you stay away from the WRX's and Legacys, price shouldn't be too bad. My 08 WRX gets 25mpg mixed, and that's with heavy footed mountain driving. Driving like a good boy on the hwy gets me 28/29 mpg. (its for sale BTW)

The older TDI's that are in your price range, are not legal here in Cali, afaik.

Chaining up, and diving with chains sucks balls. Don't do it. AWD hurts your MPG''s a bit, but unless you friends are willing to lay in the mud to put your chains on, make them pony up a little extra in gas money.

Any time anyone needs a second car, this is the correct answer. When will the rest of you catch up?

I used to be into Subarus and always averaged ~16mpg in my two 02 WRXs and 07 STi. I think our definitions of heavy footed driving may be different ;). I did however manage to get 27mpg in it once, freeway only, while trying to be fuel efficient. Mine were all modified too so that also made my fuel economy lower I'm sure.
Agreed about putting on chains.
Why do you think the older TDIs aren't California legal? :confused:

Many of my friends have them and are big turbo bricks guys. Can't say I'm a huge fan, although I definitely would not be against owning one if it was the right choice. That being said, I don't believe it is as I think I would be disappointed with the fuel economy.

I've always liked the old Suzuki grand vitaras. Not the best gas mileage, but a super capable 4wd vehicle with lots of space. You can get them on the cheap too.

My brother has a 93' 240 wagon. It does very well in the snow, stops/goes better on snow then my car in the rain despite it being RWD, I think it gets decent mileage, it comfortably seats 4 adult males, roof racks are probably easy to come by, it has lots of room behind the rear seats, there supposed to be pretty reliable, there cheap, there slow as hell. I'd try and find one that's been well taken care of.

or

An E30/E36 BMW 325ix (the awd model) might work, and would be a hole hell of a lot more fun then a slow ass Volvo.

Im sure your more bad ass than I am :). Stock drive train, suspension and brakes are only mods. My mixed tank is 88 miles of spirited mountain driving, followed by two hours of fwy driving. This is what I get the 24 mpg out of. Results may vary.

My TDI knowledge is based off a single conservation with a guy who had a late model one, probably 2009? He said that until VW did the direct injection, Cali didn't consider it clean enough, and the older ones were only 48 state legal.
If this is not correct, I apologize for flapping my ignorant lips.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/2491197001.html

It's perfect! Heated leather seats, even!

You need to talk to Nick Salyer / NSFab. He's all-knowing and a good friend to have in your line of work.

Early '00s Chrysler Town & Country Minivan.

I am dead serious.

You want something roomy as hell, comfortable for four adults on 400 mile trips, AWD, good on gas, and with plenty of space for snowboards and gear.

The early to mid '00s Town & Country fits this bill to a tee. They all had V6 engines in the 200-250 ft/lbs range, about half of them were fitted with AWD (always as part of a standard trim level), and they're rated for 22-24 MPG highway. Rated to tow 3,500 lbs, too.

And those fuckers are reliable, believe it or not. A friend of mine uses a stripped-out FWD version as his work truck (he runs a flooring business) and the thing just never gives him a minute's trouble.

If you can find a FWD subie wagon(or sedan) from the early 90's they do pretty well. my buddy had a 91 sedan that got low thirties mpg and I had no problem sitting in the back at 6'1" 200lbs. and we used it exactly for what you want to, trips to the mountain.

I had a 2000 Outback wagon and although it only got 24mpg, it was fucking awesome and I want another one. I had it in Santa Fe for a winter and fell in love with it. Dog shit slow, but fun as shit in the snow and didn't have super-ghey traction control.

Some options I have found so far:
97 Subaru OBS w/ 300k for $2200
97 Subaru Outback w/ 150k for $2100 (new tires, temp gauge starts to climb in hot weather)
95 Subaru Impreza w/ 239k for $350 (coolant leak)
84 Volvo 760 GLE turbo diesel w/ 89k for $1000 (bad injector pump seals)

id get the 150k ob...


Have you looked into like a scion xa/xb or some of those? the older ones (03) just might be in your range. super simple, very roomy, good on gas, fairly cheap.

1st gen Focus hatch
6th gen N. Am. Honda Accord wagon
1st gen Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute/Mercury Mariner

Get late 90's early 00's CRV or RAV4... CRV preferably.

Very good point. However, at least on the whole string of these produced in the 90s the trans was a known weak point, I swapped two or three of them for friends. That said, the resale is low because of this so you can get a deal. And the trans swap is not that difficult, at least on the FWD ones.

Also, FWIW from someone in the mountainous NE, really good snow tires on FWD is equivalent to at least AWD on all seasons, or better. It is damn near impossible to get stuck on Blizzaks, the car will need to be resting on it's belly on the snow. FWD is better on gas and easier and cheaper to maintain.

I daily drive a 99.5 Golf TDI, and it's the best car I've ever owned. There are some things to watch out for, but they are all helped by preventative maintenance.

Things to watch out for:
-Clogged intake manifolds due to EGR putting soot filled exhaust in the intake. (turn down the egr with VAGCOM software)
-The turbo vanes are prone to getting sootted up and the turbo will over boost. (give the car a hard drive and clean out periodically)
-The stock struts are dead by 100K
-Watch the rear trailing arm bushings as some cars came with hydrolically filled ones and they blow and get sloppy.
-Timing belts parts are a bit pricy $300ish every 80-100K

I average 45mpg. A chip and injector nozzles will free up about 40whp on these cars. Stock about 90whp with chip and injectors about 130whp/230 ft/lbs torque.

With a set of cheap shows (hankook I-pike) it's great in snow. The torque of the diesel engine is great for taking off in second gear in slippery conditions. My car has 250K miles and still feels tight.

www.tdiclub.com is a great source of info.

How about an 80's manual trans 4x4 diesel truck... crew cab and a shell, what kind of mileage can you get on those?

Isn't that like finding a needle in a haystack? Maybe it's the rustbelt northeast, but I never see 80's crew cab trucks. Mileage might be near 20mpg. I know a mid 90s Dodge Cummins is good for close to 20.

BINGO!
http://slo.craigslist.org/cto/2446619308.html

Ive had the opportunity to drive several different models and years of minivans. Every single one would smoke the tires without any trouble. AWD burnouts and powerslides would be awesome in a minivan.

Friends don't let friends drive....minivans...

But in this case it may do everything you need it to. Transport gear, people, and have awd...

Shell out for it!!!

THE SUBIE WOOBIE WOOBIE WOOOOOOOOOOOO

I swear that the most popular answer to "what car?" is, after a miata, a subaru.

New impreza gets 35mpg!

Get the Volvo. the Outbacks will probably need a headgasket if thy don't have one already.