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if you don't get it, watch the news this evening :D

Purfict! I kouduna sed it betur! :gay:

Those guys have a sense of humor!:bowrofl:

i bet W couldn't have done better.

i bet W doesnt get the joke..

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I don't get it.... But I'm Australian. :confused:

LOL @ John Kerry shooting himself in the foot.

FWIW I'm in Army intel and most of us just find it hilarious that he didn't think about it before he said it. Very few are genuinely offended.

Very few in the military might be genuinely offended because we know what a dork he is... but the general public no matter what they might think about the war always support the troops. He'll never recover from this. He's done. The Repubs will never let it go and they'd be right not to.
I try to stay out of politics because I'm just not smart enough... but part of both the enlisted and officer's oath of service includes:

"...I will obey the orders of the President of the United States..."

I'd resign my commission before I'd serve under that guy. He just doesn't have enough balls or brains. I really think he's just a big ugly putz and I won't follow a man I know just isn't capable of making the right decisions.

Here's the video
samnavy - I think you meant "too smart" ;)

Jon Kerry has the intelligence of a limp dick: He just can't be beat.......:asshole:

wow that was umm useless. He just rants for the first 5 paragraphs doesnt even say what happened....

but i like how this has consumed the news cycle

Thanks for the link, now I understand... That is a major fuckup. What a knob.

Sounds like you're plenty smart to me.

And to think, I was planning on going back in the Military when I got my Ph.D., I must be stupid... after all my GPA wasn't near JK's, I only carried a 4.0 though college... I'm a putz.

Mark

it's not like bush is the smartest cracker in the barrel....I like being apathedic cause i'll make fun of everyone.

I know JK didn't mean exactly what he said when he was trying to make the point, but man, he sounded like an idiot. Not saying he's wrong/right, just saying he did a bad job trying to make a bad point...dumbass.

john kerry didn't shoot himself in the foot nor is he "done"... he's not even running for anything. the democratic party said, "sit down and keep quiet for the rest of the campaign, dork."

but it's nice that bush takes time out of his day to criticize him anyway.

all politicians suck

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Its not like were at war or anything right? Or having tons of people run over the borders.

On NPR they were saying "bush finally gets to go on the offensive" (with this) It's been awhile I guess. It reminds me of the following story. (Check this Loki)


I live in Arizona. Recently the "weekly" ran a story on the border patrol. The reporter went out there to the "trenches" so to speak.
Somewhere out along the "front lines" is a hobbyhorse. This is a well-designed piece made of various steel parts littered along the border. Considerable effort and resourcefulness went into the construction. Let me just say again there's a hobbyhorse out there for the amusement of our border patrol. Although the unit has admitted the piece is theirs, "No agents have admitted to riding the horse"

It's not like they have something else to do?

exactly. maybe if he spent those few spare hours on foreign policy, kerry wouldn't have to botch jokes in the first place.

I think we have it right there. :)


I'm also pretty sure we could find Mr. you know who saying a few stupid things if we looked (youtube?) or anyone for that matter.


y8s: I'm guessing that Loki was saying Bush took time out of his day to criticize Kerry when we have other, more important matters at hand. Just a guess.

:werd: We have two Darwins goin at it here in TN: Bob Corker and Harold Ford Jr. Put both of their brains in a humminbird it MIGHT fly straight 9or upside down).

I dunno, I do stand behind the "chicks and beer" platform.

Kerry is an elitist. Thats why he lost the election.

He is also out of date, because the entrance standards of our military today far exceed those of the olden days. At least for the high tech jobs, which is most of them. Please correct me if I am wrong!?

If you think about it, the U.S. military is the best organised and most capable group of human beings on the planet. Even without the equipment. Its almost too bad it is headed up by a politician. That whole balance of power crap....

Cracks me up how big this "news" is.

This is certainly not the first time a politician has screwed up and said something that offended someone. In fact, they do it all the time. Guess what? With 300 million people watching and listening to you, it's pretty damn difficult not to offend someone. Why do you think 98% of politicians all sound alike and never say anything constructive? Because they don't want to offend the people that voted them into office (or will vote them in).

It's like a game to appeal to the most people while offending the least...all the while straddling this tightrope between two black and white areas of every major "hotbutton" issue.

Then we complain about the fact we don't have politicians with convictions, but we're the ones that've constructed this two-party system that forces people to give a black or white answer to a gray question. We get angry with the fact we only have two real choices every presidential election, and they both have basically identical rhetoric, but we've done it to ourselves.

Can you tell I get frustrated with politics?

I teach adolescents who are listening to every word and then rush home to tell their parents. Somehow, I manage not to say rude things about ethnic groups or professions. And I also have to listen for these attitudes and constantly correct them. I think our leaders should be held to the same standards.

I Disagree. As an elected official - in essence a professional - a politician should be held to a HIGHER degree of standards than you and I. Think about this. If a doctor witnesses a car accident and sees that a person is injured, can he yell out to someone to call 911? He can, but would probably be charged with something like professional negligence, malpractice, (or something). But if a layperson like you or me JUST called 911, there ends our legal and moral obligation.

Again, as a professional, you are always held to a higher degree of responsibility than a layperson.

And perhaps that's why these occasional screw-ups make such a big stink in the news; they're still fairly rare, considering how "in the public eye" each politician really is.

I stand corrected. Our leaders, or those who want to be them, should also be modelling respect. I guess I expect them to at least be held to the same standards. I must be so naive, because I always get shocked when they disappoint me. I guess power does corrupt, no figure.

I still think there are lots of professions where statements like his would be completely unnacceptable. Let alone, in a speach! (And I am a lifelong Democrat.)

Actually, I think they're a lot more common then we realize. That's probably why we only hear about the big ones because politicians put their foot in it so often, news agencies don't really find it interesting anymore.

Some of the "big" ones:

Gary Condit - Murder?
Bob Packwood - Sexual Harassment
Clinton, Bill - Sexual Harassment, perjury, etc.
Clinton, Hillary - Rose Law firm scandal, and generally being a bitch
Marion Barry - Smoking crack on camera!
Jim Traficante - Bribery
Ted Kennedy - Murder

And this is just off the top of my head.

Ha!:gay:

I dont think they're rare at all.

The republicans jumped on kerry primarily because they fucked themselves over and the public/media found out about their scandals.

do I think for a second the timing of the scandals is coincidence? no. is it WRONG that the information may have been held until election time? eh who cares. but it's definitely ridiculous that the republicans ACCUSE people of anything because of the timing!

"We're not bad for soliciting pages / strangling our mistresses / taking bribes! It's all the democrats fault that these stories came out!"

So which is worse? having "good" timing orrrrr being a hypocrite, immoral, and breaking the law?

I agree completely.

I dont think bill clinton was ever found guilty of anything and either was gary condit.

Personally I could care less what these people do in their private lives as long as they do right by the nation (let the law enforcement deal wit it).

People are too obsessed personal conduct instead of how they handle the office.

Unfortunately, your personal conduct(how you conduct yourself) is who you are and spills into everything you do.

Not true. People dont understand the difference between professional life and personal life, but thats mostly due to the media making mountains out of molehills (for both republicans and democrats)

IE. Personally I would never support abortion and I want the lowest taxes ever. But as a member of society I understand the burden of taxes necessary on all people and the freedom people should have to decide issues for themselves.

Look, obviously Loki has no problem with men in power sport-fucking the random 20 year old. I do agree with cccpull that this behaviour does spill into other parts of these peoples lives. Let's face it, these powerful men use their positions to enhance there own lives... Do you think Monica would have sucked Bill dry without him being the president of the united states, or at least a senator? Probably not.

It's rare when a 20 something wants woman to develop a relationship with an older man (above 40) that is not based on money, power, or stature. It does happen, and I am glad it happens. Anna Nicole Smith, states her relationship with that young stud of 87 years claims love... not sure I believe that one.

To say that Bill wasn't found "guilty" is an interesting assertion, Do you think that would have flown with an UNBIASED jury of his peers? I think not. While he was not impeached, he certainly was guilty... or didn't you see him lie to the entire nation on national TV? He should have said nothing, while "lying to the american public" may not be a crime, doing so under oath as he had was. I am sure that his TV appearance could have been construed as obstruction of justice at a minimum.

Mark

FYI - President William Jefferson Clinton WAS impeached. He just wasn't tossed out of office of which impeachment is the first step akin to being charged of a crime.

Interesting aside: last friday I went to a birthday dinner at buca di beppo here in DC and we sat in the "monica room". They have a statue wrapped in a blue "dress" with some white stains on it in a little alcove. above the alcove is a cherub with a large cigar in its mouth.

we asked our waitress about it and she said Lewinsky had seen it and thought it was a riot.

Well, let me rephrase, as you know what I meant. He was successfully impeached of both perjury and obstruction of justice, he was allowed to skate free despite being clearly guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice... as the senate acquitted him, but hell, that's nothing compared with OJ, btw did he ever find his wife's killer or hasn't he purchased a mirror yet?

Mark

PS - Maybe it's because the senate never decided to call any witnesses....

Lawyers are just like everyone else some are good some are bad, its the profession/system that makes them scum, but thats only because majority of people don't understand the law.

:rly:If I hadn't dealt with so many, I might believe you.:D

I can guarantee Ive spent more time with laywers, on a personnel and professional level.

But to each their own.

MMM... :bowdown: buca di beppo. Sooooo gooood..

well... I wouldn't go that far... i mean it's pretty cheap which is good but it's also fairly mediocre. can't go wrong for large groups and loud get-togethers though.

Thank you :) Next time itll be yours.. :inout: