As someone sentenced to Dayton for the next few years I'll echo comments about OH in general, and the awesomeness of the AF museum. The experimental hanger on base is particularly cool. If you end up in Dayton during business hours let me know and I sponsor you on base.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1165818)
I'll second that. I've been to Wright Patt twice, and I still haven't seen it all. Seems like every time I visit, they build a whole new exhibit hall.
One of my favorites is the B-36 Peacemaker. Giant aircraft that was built to bomb Berlin from bases in New York (under the assumption that England would fall). To see that thing indoors is amazing. The XB-70 is also incredible. They used to have it outside, and it had presence like no other. But it was corroding and, last time I went, they had moved it into the "X" hangar. It's hard to see there. It basically furnishes the ceiling for the place. To imagine that thing going Mach 3+.
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1165859)
I actually didn't live in Ohio long. My Dad worked for BFG (HQ in Akron . . . still . . . although they no longer make tires -- BFG tires are just a Michelin brand now). That gave us the opportunity to live all over the world, which we did starting from when I was 4. Brazil and Phillipines mostly. Made it back to Ohio in 9th grade and finished HS there. That was plenty.
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1165867)
I've been to Cleveland. They were actively scrubbing the blackened exteriors of the brick buildings to reveal bright red brick beneath. How wonderful it would be to breathe the air in Cleveland for a lifetime!
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1165867)
I have also been to Cincinnati and had the opportunity to view the industrial riverfront area. And Columbus. It seems the babe in the cradle of American heavy industry has been nearly completely smothered with the pillow of union extortion in its old age. It would have likely died eventually from lung cancer anyway, but still, it's a tough way to go.
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1165794)
So you admit that it is bad, and now we are just debating over how bad.
There are worse places for sure...
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1165807)
Wow. Small world. I graduated from Norton High School in the depth of the depression when everybody lost their jobs. I went on to the Navy and never looked back. Been back once or twice. What strikes you is that there has been almost no further development in the area since the early 80s. That's in stark contrast to the rest of the country.
Good news is that the Cuyohoga River doesn't catch fire anymore. Good fishing in Lake Erie. The walleye is excellent...
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1165814)
The Air Force museum is awesome. Dayton is a bit of a drive though.
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1165991)
It's all on topic as far as I can see.
I'm going to the factory where they make these: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1410374993 and these: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1410374993 I sell both of those brands of machines. |
By development, I was talking about houses/shopping/population, etc. Since leaving, I've mostly lived in the South and West where building is constant. When I visited Norton after having been away for 15 or 20 years, there were no new subdivisions, no new schools, no new shops. It seemed frozen in time. It was striking and sad.
It warms my heart that there are things being built in Ohio. Living through seeing all the factories close and the hardships that created was one of my formative experiences. |
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1166111)
By development, I was talking about houses/shopping/population, etc. Since leaving, I've mostly lived in the South and West where building is constant. When I visited Norton after having been away for 15 or 20 years, there were no new subdivisions, no new schools, no new shops. It seemed frozen in time. It was striking and sad.
It warms my heart that there are things being built in Ohio. Living through seeing all the factories close and the hardships that created was one of my formative experiences. I came from the NE region where industry left 20+ years before the Midwest started to loose it's mfg base (think fabric looms, shoe production and machine tools). I think the recessions of the 80's just hastened things dramatically in the Midwest and today the mfg base in OH is about 50% what it was then as measured in jobs i.e. people working. The gross output I think isn't that far down (although I haven't taken the time to research it) because of productivity gains. Because mfg then, at least in the mid-west, had a preponderance of union members it's easy to for some people to say 'unions' were the cause of the decline. I think that's an easy scapegoat and only a part of the story. The real root cause, in my opinion, is we have no plan for manufacturing in the US and we've decided, as a national policy, we'd prefer to buy manufactured goods from lower cost countries because they are "dirty' industries and don't fit the image we see of ourselves. I mean really, go into a Cracker Barrel and look at all the items on the racks of the retail side. Made in China.... Sorry, off tangent. |
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