You don't want to force water down the drain anyway. Every type of drainage system needs to go down at it's own rate. Sending the pressurized water down the drain wouldn't be good. Could even send toxic stuff back into drinking water. Like sixshooter said.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1076806)
Is this sort of thing common here in the northeast?!
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I wonder how much that heater has been contributing to the "effectiveness" of your homebrew setup?
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1076825)
I wonder how much that heater has been contributing to the "effectiveness" of your homebrew setup?
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Joe: Source for that tiny radiator?
Something I've absolutely hated since I started homebrewing is the giant fucking waste of water that traditional cooling methods use. I started with a simple copper immersion coil, then moved to a 25' counterflow chiller and now I have a DudaDiesel 12" 30 or 40 plate stainless steel & copper brazed plate heat exchanger. This still uses too much water IMO. I have an urge to build a closed loop system on the "cold" side with a fan/pump/radiator/reservoir setup, and your tiny radiator looks like it would be ideal. |
It's an intercooler.
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Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 1077000)
It's an intercooler.
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Joe, the home depot filter kits with the carbon filter will remove most of the minerals from the water. I am guessing you'd only need a filter annually, if that. Since you're not drinking it, just leave it in there forever or until flow slows.
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Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 1076822)
Yes. Keeps the woman's bare feet warm while she does the dishes.
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1076825)
I wonder how much that heater has been contributing to the "effectiveness" of your homebrew setup?
But once I've fired up the heat exchanger in the living room, it still comes up to a reasonable temperature within an hour or so. And when I move it to the bedroom and close the door, it gets downright toasty in there. As in "this is uncomfortably hot, I am going to turn it down to low." (I should note that the bedroom has only two windows, and they are both on the same wall.)
Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 1076991)
Joe: Source for that tiny radiator?
EDIT: I also strongly contemplated the purchase of a Honda Civic radiator (the funny-looking half-width ones) which cost about the same, but give probably 3x the core area. Example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALUMINUM-RAC...ca7ddb&vxp=mtr I chose this one mostly because it's small enough that I can coil it up and store the whole thing under the sink off-season. Additionally, the 3/4" hose fittings on it were much easier to adapt to a hot-water garden hose (which is 5/8" OD).
Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 1076991)
Something I've absolutely hated since I started homebrewing is the giant fucking waste of water that traditional cooling methods use. I started with a simple copper immersion coil, then moved to a 25' counterflow chiller and now I have a DudaDiesel 12" 30 or 40 plate stainless steel & copper brazed plate heat exchanger. This still uses too much water IMO.
I used to use a homemade counterflow unit, which sounds similar to yours. Roughly 25' of 1/4" OD copper tube run through a garden hose. Compared to the immersion chiller it was a fucking miracle- I was never really tempted to replace it with a plate chiller. Protip: capture the spent water and pour it into the washing machine. If you have a spare fermener that's not in use at the moment, capture more water in that for a second batch of laundry. Assuming that you're done sanitizing for the day (which you should be if you're racking), use your sanitizing bucket to capture yet more water for a third load of laundry.
Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 1077071)
Joe, the home depot filter kits with the carbon filter will remove most of the minerals from the water.
At around $60 for the filter, I think I'm going to see how the radiator fares by itself. If nothing else, I will have a good test-bed in a few months to judge the effectiveness of the common "radiator flush in a bottle" products sold for a few dollars at most auto parts stores. |
Well someone has to make up for all your wanton water waste :D I've got a big long ass hose on the back end of the CFC running out to the front yard, so the water gets used on the grass my landlady insists I water and thus pay for, so I try to get dual use where I can. Washing machine ain't a bad idea either.
Thank you for the link, this is actually much better than I expected, what with the temperature switch/bung and all. This will really tempt me to grossly over complicate things :rofl: And yes, I'm pretty sure that CFC is something else that Prometheus stole from the gods and granted to us mere mortals. Brooklyn Homebrew Shop is pretty tits from what I understand, and you can use your seasonal temperature fluctuation to lager in your living room :bigtu: |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1072145)
Working in Manhattan on E 42nd, living in Hoboken, which is literally on the shore on the Hudson river just on the other side. It's what you see when you stand on the east side of lower Manhattan and look towards Jersey, just north of the Holland Tunnel.
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1072743)
On the subject of heating:
Electric shower heads scare me. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384304640 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1384304766 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1384304781 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1384304594 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1384304854 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1384304854 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1384304957 Your heater idea is nice. Have you measured the temp of the air exiting the radiator. You could add another one in series to utilize the residual heat from the circulating water. Build a frame with the two rads at an angle to each other, set the fan in a housing behind them to blow through both of them. More heat with no more electricity use. |
Originally Posted by Burnout
(Post 1078326)
I take it you meant to say, "when you stand on the WEST side of lower Manhattan".
Where you working on E42nd? U.N. building? The world would be a better place for it. Damn, these picture remind me of scenes from Auschwitz. Have you measured the temp of the air exiting the radiator. You could add another one in series to utilize the residual heat from the circulating water. I adjust the flow of water at the wall to achieve a nearly room-temp outflow from the radiator (measured by hand), which works well on all but the coldest days. I don't think there'd be much to gain from a second-pass system. If I were going to upside, I'd just go to a Honda Civic radiator- one of the weird half-width ones from the late 90s. |
In terms of noise, the standard for comparison is a 3,000 HP GP-40 diesel-electric locomotive, running at full-tilt-boogie on a load dyno, one block away, at 2am. (No, I'm not kidding. I live right next to the NJ Transit maintenance yard at Hoboken Terminal. It is not quiet.) Do they welome home engines coming off duty by blasting their horns several times? One of our company managers was telling me he learned about that NJT "tradition" after purchasing his house. There was a slight twinge of buyer's remorse in his voice. |
I have actually used the 1/2 inch or so blue styrene foam insulating panels meant to reside beneath exterior paneling as a temporary sound and thermal barrier for a bedroom window. I cut it to fit snuggly within the window frame and taped the perimeter.
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Originally Posted by Davezorz
(Post 1078595)
Do they welome home engines coming off duty by blasting their horns several times? One of our company managers was telling me he learned about that NJT "tradition" after purchasing his house. There was a slight twinge of buyer's remorse in his voice.
Much like your friend, I made the mistake of assuming that the maintenance yard would shut down the engines at some point in the evening, rather than running them 24/7. I failed to actually visit the property at midnight to verify same. I do not know where I will be living after my lease runs out next September, but I know quite well where I will not be living.
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1078667)
I have actually used the 1/2 inch or so blue styrene foam insulating panels meant to reside beneath exterior paneling as a temporary sound and thermal barrier for a bedroom window.
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According to my dad, who is a real "rail nut" it is common practice in the railroad industry to run straight water in the cooling system. Running the engines 24/7 mitigates the need for anti-freezing additives.
according to him, they also dont use oil filters, which I thought was wierd. Apparently the just do a UOA while the engine is running, and if they see a problem they rebuild the engine. |
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Performance of the system continued to be satisfactory. It was actually getting so warm that the humidiy plunged to about 20%, necessitating the purchase of a humidifier. Small price to pay (both literally and figuratively.) I'm now enjoying a balmy 72 degrees and 55% RH.
Finally got around to fabricating a proper drain line, so no more hose crossing over the sink with zip-ties. 1/2" rigid copper tube fits into a 5/8" ID hose perfectly. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1387683161 While installing this, I made a rather important discovery; I am no longer able to turn the system off. I fear that I have created a hydraulic version of GLaDOS, and that it may be plotting to release deadly neurotoxin into my kitchen. Apparently, valves of the sort commonly found under the sink are designed to operate fully-open or fully-closed, but are not suitable for fine regulation of flow. The total travel of the valve (appx 3 turns) now accomplishes virtually nothing- it's just on at about 25% flow all the time. Gonna have to figure out a way to fix this, and I have a feeling it's going to be messy, as there is no master shutoff for the apartment which I am able to access. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1085057)
While installing this, I made a rather important discovery; I am no longer able to turn the system off. I fear that I have created a hydraulic version of GLaDOS, and that it may be plotting to release deadly neurotoxin into my kitchen.
Apparently, valves of the sort commonly found under the sink are designed to operate fully-open or fully-closed, but are not suitable for fine regulation of flow. The total travel of the valve (appx 3 turns) now accomplishes virtually nothing- it's just on at about 25% flow all the time. Gonna have to figure out a way to fix this, and I have a feeling it's going to be messy, as there is no master shutoff for the apartment which I am able to access. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1085057)
Performance of the system continued to be satisfactory. It was actually getting so warm that the humidiy plunged to about 20%, necessitating the purchase of a humidifier. Small price to pay (both literally and figuratively.) I'm now enjoying a balmy 72 degrees and 55% RH.
Finally got around to fabricating a proper drain line, so no more hose crossing over the sink with zip-ties. 1/2" rigid copper tube fits into a 5/8" ID hose perfectly. While installing this, I made a rather important discovery; I am no longer able to turn the system off. I fear that I have created a hydraulic version of GLaDOS, and that it may be plotting to release deadly neurotoxin into my kitchen. Apparently, valves of the sort commonly found under the sink are designed to operate fully-open or fully-closed, but are not suitable for fine regulation of flow. The total travel of the valve (appx 3 turns) now accomplishes virtually nothing- it's just on at about 25% flow all the time. Gonna have to figure out a way to fix this, and I have a feeling it's going to be messy, as there is no master shutoff for the apartment which I am able to access. |
Originally Posted by good2go
(Post 1085084)
Hmmm; interesting development. Could this actually be the sounds of 'the man' pulling that stick out Joe?
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