Swimming on the moon anyone?
 

Yep, they found water...

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...discovery.html

Well, not enough to swim in, but this is still a fucking HUGE find.

I guess I should clarify, they already found some water, but they now released word that they found a lot more than they thought there was. At least as much as twenty gallons in a single 30m crater.

so you're saying we could be aliens....

So you're saying that they found water at Area 51 where the moon landing was filmed?

Oh boy... I hope that was sarcasm. :facepalm:

I guess no one here is nerdy enough to care and understand what this means to humanity... well, besides Mr. Cassini... ;)

I just said that cause I like to stir the pot. I look at it from 2 ways. Did we land on the moon? The news and television says we did, so it must be true right? Was I there to see it, No. Is it possible? I'd say with the technology of this century, sure why not. Is it a government conspiracy theory? Conspiracy of what? We beat the rest of the world there and stuck our flag in it. So we found water? I can go along with that...

The water makes using the moon as a way station to interstellar travel a whole lot easier.

Oh yeah, I get it...kinda like a rest stop. How long do you think it would take for my piss to hit the ground on the moon?

about 1/6th of what it would on earth. The water can be used to make fuel, oxygen and a ton of other things and it is one less thing we would need to pack with us out of our gravity well.

Too bad the return to the moon and colonization project planned for 2020 is looking like it won't happen, or at least not by 2020. It saddens me, because space and space travel is one of my only true passions.

Obviously that water was put there to test our faith. Hail Jesus Christ. lol

I thought it is impossible for there to be water on the moon because there is no atmosphere--instant boiling.

As far as the moon landing, not sure what to believe either way. There do seem to be a lot of odd coincidences in The Shining.

:laugh: Not only have we been to the moon, but we've been there on multiple occasions, and have hundreds (thousands?) of photos and many hours of videos to prove it, as well as a half ton of rock samples.

Moon rocks date 700 million years older than earth rocks, as confirmed by scientists worldwide. And not just our scientists, while we were sending apollo rockets to the moon, the russians were sending unmanned robotic space craft, around 2 dozen or so. One is actually in moon orbit (maybe still to this day?), but several were able to collect samples and return them to earth. The russian samples match the earth samples, and the russians damn sure weren't our friends in the late 60s, unless you want to argue that USA and Russia share a joint cold war era moon conspiracy.

Other compelling evidence is the existence of mirror arrays on the moon surface. We use them for laser range finding, known as Lunar Laser Ranging, and is capable of determining the distance between earth and the moon within 2mm. Is that a conspiracy?

There are also dozens of pictures from several space agencies worldwide showing the landing sites, the existance of the lunar modules, flags, foot prints, etc.

If it's cold enough, ice will remain intact. Plenty of it flying around on comets.


It goes a bit deeper than that, I'm afraid. Not only did Russia and the US jointly conspire about the moon landing, but about the whole cold war in general.

In reality, Washington and The Kremlin were (and still are) proxy governments set in place by a cabal consisting of top members of the Knights Templar, the Freemasons, the Mormon church, and the RAND corporation.

I'm a huge nerd, hell I work in SEM, and have spent most of my adult life in the tech industry. I'm even considering going to the next CON in Dallas. However, considering our current economic situation this is the biggest waste of tax dollars I've seen a long time. Lets see we want to go to the moon, even though our country is fucked economically. WTF

yeah, ok dude. lol As if we actually went to the moon.

Everyone knows that the landing was a fake. And the moon mirrors and rocks? Put there by scientists to fool us just like the fossils.

Get it right guy.

That is why I would like to see private companies more involved in our space program. I'm sure they could make a wrench for less than $6 million and do pretty much everything for less money with less government restraint.

This I completely agree with your post! Not only could private companies do it cheaper and probably better, I'm sure this would also create some nice paying jobs as well.

I mean, look at Paul Allen and SpaceShipOne. He went to "space" with a total development cost of only $25 million. With government assistance to private companies, we could probably be going to space for a fraction of what it costs now, and do it sooner and more reliably.

For reference, in '69-'70 the X-15 project cost and estimated $300 million, which would be about $1.5 billion today. Of course that was a lot more than one flight, but you can bet they could send SpaceShipOne on many more trips and keep the costs under $1.5 billion.

I really can't see successful space travel without private industry involved. The government could save shit tons of money while still maintaining a national space program, and private companies would have financial backing of a country. Both sides would win and humanity would be able to explore space much sooner, more safely and for less cost.

Yea cuz NASA only pays minimum wage :rolleyes:

EDIT: completely agree with the fact that the private sector should get into space travel....just sayin though.

More jobs than NASA could provide I bet.

I would have thought that was common sense.

Touche

Wrong and wrong
Everyone knows it was Lord Xenu

idiots

I expected no less from you guys.

What from who?

SpaceShipOne and Virgin Galactic is NOT the same thing as NASA. Going straight up and down is NOT the same thing as going into LEO. Not even close.

There are already examples of commercial space ventures that are not run by NASA. The commercial telecommunications satellite industry is one.

BTW some data from the LCROSS impact. More confirmation of water on the moon. I agree, this is a big deal.
LCROSS Finds Water On Moon

Man went to the moon, period. To say otherwise is to unjustly belittle the monumental achievements of some great Scientists and Engineers.

Which is why I compared it to the X-15 project and not a NASA space mission, just to show the cost differences between a government run operation and a private company.

Well I do not think X-15 and SpaceShipOne is a good analogy either. They are two completely different missions. Plus the X-15 was ground breaking. No one had gone nearly that fast or that high before. Paul Allen had a lot of existing knowledge to leverage, not to mention a huge improvement in things like computer modeling and advanced materials that became available since the X-15 mission. Plus SpaceShipOne does not reach the same speeds.

It is like saying that the old room-sized vacuum tube computer builders, or the Cray designers, were inefficient and overpriced because those computers were much more expensive to develop than a modern desktop computer. That is not strictly a great analogy though, since the cost of production development is spread over many units. But you get my point.

Anyway I am not saying the Government is as efficient as private industry. But, that is not the sole reason for the difference in development cost. The bigger driver by far is the differences in what is achieved.

Yeah yeah Mr. Smart Guy. You guess you get my point, even if my analogy was bad.

Private > Government

That's all I was trying to say. But still, what Allen did with $25 million is pretty impressive. Just think if we had many teams like that on board with our space program. Get some fresh minds in there that aren't tied down by the government.

I'm wondering what the Air Force's UAV program will get into in the next 20 years. Space travel, flying on the moon's surface, who knows. They probly already have lol.

I'm in line for AF's UAV program, getting kind of impatient though lol. Going in as an enlistee and everyone has it on their list now.

Not gonna be doing much space travel with propellers ;)

I have a friend that was a UAV pilot last I heard. haven't seen him in over a year though. Probably a pretty fun place to be.

Well we already do. Though NASA's name goes on the Missions, a lot of the high-end cutting-edge development work for these Missions is done by Scientists and Engineers working as contractors outside of NASA. Take SpaceX for example; they are developing lower-cost launch vehicles. Even though NASA is one of their potential clients, they are an outside company, funded by private money, developing a new product for space use.

Damn you! I know we already do, I meant MORE than we currently do. More funding from them anyway. That way shit won't be delayed because of government careless spending and funding cuts.

You know the Army has UAV's as well.... Also as far as I know the UAV school's are the same for the AF and Army (both in AZ) and only hold sessions 2-3 times a year, Army is still easier/quicker to get in on if you want to check into it.

Yeah in fact several years ago I helped develop one of the UAVs for the Army. No shit.

An interesting article pertaining to commercial (private) sector development of manned launch services.
NASA Industry Begin Discussions on Commercial Crew Development Dollars | SpaceNews.com

An example of small guy private sector space engineering
NASA 'glove challenge' set for Thursday