And in that thread you posted J_man, they claim 100-200 gig discs coming down

more proof in the pudding: HD DVD booth dead compared to Blu Ray @ CES

Regardless of when blu-ray wins, Sony is praying that they'll actually make some money to recoup the gobs of money they spent developing/marketing/bribing studios/delaying the PS3 before someone produces something with an easy interface for the general public for downloadable video content (like the iPod) which is, as Ben stated, the future.

Holographic disc > BluRay

Hold on let me go to bestbuy and pick them up and see which is better.. OH thats right one is imaginary.

Maybe santa and the easter bunny love holographic discs.

holographic disc is not vaporware. it's just not going to be brought to the consumer market.... because the consumer market is going to downloadable media.

My giant 3d playing screen with all movies all the time made out of fairy dust and rats ass > holographic discs :cool:

Bye bye HD DVD.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0...ref=technology

well that just sucks... I agree with one point in the article that my old DVDs look really, really good with the upconverting on my HD DVD, but I can't find any movies in the HD format that I actually want to buy. Looks like my player is going to craigslist sometime in the near future. :(

So, should I get a stand alone blueray player or just buy a PS3?

PS3 upgrades with each new blu ray profile and it plays games and its a web browser and its a media extender and a soon to be VOD divx player

While the HD DVD end is inevitable, that Variety article quoted above from a week ago about Universual is not correct - some journalist decided to generate traffic to their site/make people buy his magazine. Looks like for now Universal and Paramount will remain on the other side of the fence. Here is what Universal said on the next day:

"Contrary to unsubstantiated rumors from unnamed sources, Universal's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format," said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for Universal Studios Home Entertainment and co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group.
Graffeo's comments follow a report in yesterday's Variety that Universal's agreement to exclusively support HD DVD had ended and had not been renewed. The report went on to speculate that both Universal and Paramount could switch sides soon, ending the high-def format war instantly.
A Universal spokesperson told us this afternoon that the studio plans to issue new upcoming HD DVD title announcements in the near future.
The HD DVD Promotions Group is also said to be planning its own statement regarding the rumors of a Universal switch to format neutrality.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...D_Support/1362

Btw, have you heard about the Chinese HD format? Looks like that is taking off fast over there and China will be generating tons of pirated movies in that format (= very cheap, probably cheaper than regular DVD - in the past (in the DVD first years) back in Europe one could buy Chinese copy of every movie on DVD for a buck or two (vs over 10 times for the original DVD without any difference in quality). I wonder how will that play out ...

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...hardware.co.uk

Yeah but the players can come here but the movies cant... I dont think it will really get main stream accptance. VCD SVCD

It's really a shame. HD DVD is such a nice format. I love my Toshiba player and the ~dozen discs I have. And hopefully I can score some more on clearance. And I'll hang on to it until the next gen player comes out--whatever format that will be

Ill be enjoying all my movies in high def... Just cause i like using the upconvert feature, no reason to buy HD

And hopefully netflix on my ps3 soon
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/11/n...x-360-and-ps3/

upconvert is not the same thing as HD

Correct!!!

I can enjoy all movies in hidef (cause of blu ray)


But becasue Upconcert is fine for 99% of movies, I dont see a reason to all blu ray crazy.

I would be surprised if there is another format before there is the next wave of TVs.

Same here, except I only have the HD DVDs that came in the box with the player. If anyone hears of a clearance on HD DVDs, post it please.

Tim--Amazon.com is running half off :)

in what, 20 yrs or so? with 1080p, you're basically eyeball limited at more than a 2:1 screen diagonal to viewing distance ratio. and that's with at least perfect vision. Try it at your desk. if you have a 19" monitor, sit back more than 38" and see if you can see a difference between the left and right sides of this nice image i made.


the next step is not higher resolution, but more area at the same resolution a la IMAX. but then you're approaching CAVE systems.

http://um3d.dc.umich.edu/hardware/CA..._princecar.jpg

virtual pr0n ... that's what y8s is really trying to say.

The engadget article has misleading quote. The Netflix survey is about how integration of Xbox Live with their current PC based system might work. It never mentions watching on PS/3.
This doesn't mean no Netflix for the PS/3 - just that the survey mentioned is about Xbox 360 and the real quote doesn't have that PS/3 part

http://www.seanbajuice.com/2008/02/1...-full-details/

http://www.seanbajuice.com/wp-conten...flixsurvey.gif

Show me a link to what your claiming?

Sorry to break the bubble of HD-DVD advocates..

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/19/tech...ion=2008021904

Two months ago a friend who works at NFM told me Toshiba was going to buy back all HD-DVD players from NFM's customers. Makes me wonder if the millions of HD-DVD movies will be reimbursed? Kinda funny I always figured Sony would be the one to fail yet again in the race for the format, but this time Toshiba horded their technology and Sony shared the development with the masses of manufactures. I site as examples of Sony failure: BetaMax, LaserDisc, MiniDisc, and Super Audio CD to name a few... Looks like they finally learned their lesson? :giggle: "Its a Phony!"

Edit: On a personal side note, I believe any further development in optical media is useless and should be stopped immediatly. With the advent of a possible 8 layer bluray disc, scratch that thing with a freakin subatomic particle and your data is gone.. I think solid state media (Ie, Crapples new notebook with no physical mechanical disk...) is the way to the future. :jerkit: I said back in the mid 90s with the "WORM" drive the sealed cartridge optical disk would have been the way to go with video and game rentals anyway. Something you couldn't open or touch the physical disc... Looks like we'll have to wait and see!

let me see if it is still there

this is the link:

https://research.netflix.com/entgmrsflwup0208qnt.htm

it is a goner now though. maybe it got pulled recently (like a day or two ago - it was still up and running on the weekend and has been there for few weeks). let me check if I can find how the question about the streaming looked like

this was the last real question in the survey - the only one mentioning video on consoles. the following page was the last one and it was about the age, marital status, income, etc. that was the most recent version of the survey I've seen. maybe the one about the PS3 has been something else older (or different)

you mean the $999 option. base model comes with a normal hard drive.