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Joe Perez 03-02-2010 12:09 PM

Twincharging? Nah- too conservative...
 
How about compound quad-charging?

Start with a twin-turbo Nissan GT-R. Add a pair of Rotrex superchargers inline with the factory turbos. Tune for 640 WHP. Profit.

Adding Insult To Injury – Twincharged GTR | Supercharger Performance and Engine Performance Parts


http://www.superchargerperformance.c...wer_460x0w.jpg

kotomile 03-02-2010 12:11 PM

I'll have three, thanks.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 03-02-2010 12:13 PM

then add nitrous

Jeff_Ciesielski 03-02-2010 12:15 PM

Do want. I remember a while back, someone on this board asked when we were just going to start twin-charging everything. I'm still waiting on that one.

chicksdigmiatas 03-02-2010 12:15 PM

Needs moar boost.

kewilso3 03-02-2010 12:22 PM

lol at belt

y8s 03-02-2010 12:37 PM

someone needs to put some supers on a veyron. octocharged!

TurboTim 03-02-2010 12:51 PM

Would this be more efficient than having the turbos make XX more psi to get to 640 WHP?

Doppelgänger 03-02-2010 01:11 PM

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's still ugly.

flier129 03-02-2010 01:13 PM

Tim, I expect you to do this on your car with one of your hotside setups and a single rotrex. Okay? :giggle:

Pen2_the_penguin 03-02-2010 01:15 PM

too mechanical for me... looks like a headache to change belts... but then again belts piss me off.

mgeoffriau 03-02-2010 01:17 PM

Thank goodness they added superchargers, at least it'll have some low-end torque.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 03-02-2010 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 531308)
Thank goodness they added superchargers, at least it'll have some low-end torque.

:bowrofl:

hustler 03-02-2010 01:58 PM

http://amsperformance.com/amsperform..._Mock_Up_2.jpg
> that

TurboTim 03-02-2010 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 531347)

who's turbine housing is that? Precision center section (not water cooled)?

hustler 03-02-2010 02:33 PM

I googled an aparently Precision turbo is making this stuff now, but not putting it on their website. You can see the logo on some of the other pics in the blog.

miatamania 03-02-2010 03:26 PM

Dear god...as if that car wasn't a pain in the ass enough. Ours made like 530 stock motor/turbos on a Dyno Dynamics...and they spool faster than hell. No need for all that.

Sparetire 03-02-2010 05:54 PM

I can just see the logic here:

"We want the quick spool for the low end, but more up top."

It's amazing how people are stuck in the early 60s with regard to thoughts on what a desirable powerband is. I have yet to use anything much below 3K in any form of racing. That engine could spool a pair of GT30s with a moderate AR turbine housing pretty easaly and make gobs more power with good response. Do we really need to be able to hit full boost in 1st gear while parking in the snow?

Having said that, its still kinda cool. What a beast that thing must be to drive. I wish they were lighter though. But 3800 is pretty much par for the course anymore.

turotufas 03-02-2010 06:02 PM

A car with a cold side superduper charger and a down stream turbo. Thats what I want!

Sparetire 03-02-2010 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by turotufas (Post 531545)
A car with a cold side superduper charger and a down stream turbo. Thats what I want!

I have been sort of putting together a list in my head of what it should take to put a M62 from a GXP (they run like 200 bucks on CL) on there. The trick might be to take the upper intake off and find a way to mate the blower discharge to the stock lower intake to save some cash. Then run whatever turbo setup you already have. Idle issues might suck.

You then have the ability to spool a GT3071 like a 2554 though :)


....or just put in a V8.

rmcelwee 03-02-2010 06:15 PM

Unless you have 8 turbos you are a pussy!


Full_Tilt_Boogie 03-02-2010 06:19 PM

I remember that thing from some magazine

totally fucking retarded

Faeflora 03-02-2010 07:37 PM

Ugggghhh

http://www.nightbiscuit.com/wp-conte...ant_picard.jpg

Pen2_the_penguin 03-02-2010 07:57 PM

thats just fucking stupid. I doubt he has more boost than me, and it must be abnoxiously loud as hell... like a C5 taking off. So retarded.

j_man 03-03-2010 01:00 AM

Here is one of the coolest twincharged builds I've seen lately - Eaton + Turbo in a Lotus:







curly 03-03-2010 01:08 AM

Hey, that's my photographer friend that snapped some shots of Sav's car, small world. He said that car was amazing. And unfortunately rains washed that road out a few days after this video.

And yes he is that retarded on a daily basis.

rweatherford 03-03-2010 01:15 AM

Just compound two turbos and be done, or you could 2-stage 4 smaller turbos. Would still be better than the damn Rotex chargers.

Savington 03-03-2010 01:51 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 531758)
Hey, that's my photographer friend that snapped some shots of Sav's car, small world.

Did those shots ever come out? I haven't looked at a Modified Mag in a while.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 03-03-2010 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by rweatherford (Post 531760)
Just compound two turbos and be done, or you could 2-stage 4 smaller turbos. Would still be better than the damn Rotex chargers.

yah, if you wanted to run 40+ psi of boost

rweatherford 03-03-2010 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie (Post 531765)
yah, if you wanted to run 40+ psi of boost

That's what they are doing....


The core of the twincharger kit is a pair of Rotrex C30-94 Superchargers which are EACH rated for 44 psi peak and a peak of 600cfm (400hp) when injesting ‘free air’. The thing is, these chargers here are installed inline, with the factory IHI turbochargers feeding the inlets of the Rotrex Superchargers.

fooger03 03-03-2010 08:47 AM

wouldn't installing a large turbo system in parallel with a boost controlled N2O injection overcome the same issues that a twincharging setup solves while being retardedly less complex?

rweatherford 03-03-2010 09:25 PM

Probably. The one thing I see with this car is packaging. Since they didn't change the OEM manifolds and turbos it may have actually been easier to just add the Rotex units, but I'd rather see PD chargers for that low end grunt followed by the added turbo push. If you HAVE to have belt driven chargers. Right now they probably don't have much more low end response if any than factory (relative to power output) because of the Rotex design.


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