The umpteemillionth "what car" thread
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I'm coming up with incredibly good ideas but nobody seems to care.
Anyway, here:
http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=15092.0
Anyway, here:
http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=15092.0
#26
yeah that's not great: Infiniti G37 MPG Reports | Fuelly
But then I'm not aware of any car that meets all those criteria that gets much more than 20mpg
I'm coming up with incredibly good ideas but nobody seems to care.
Anyway, here:
http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=15092.0
Anyway, here:
http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=15092.0
You seem to be the only one that thinks they're great ideas lol
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the c250?
Mercedes-Benz C250 MPG Reports | Fuelly
a 2012 is just over $25K.
what was before that the c230? looks like that's just a touch over 20-21mpg, but a lot cheaper.
the c250 has the small turbo motor that makes much better mpgs. I really like them.
Mercedes-Benz C250 MPG Reports | Fuelly
a 2012 is just over $25K.
what was before that the c230? looks like that's just a touch over 20-21mpg, but a lot cheaper.
the c250 has the small turbo motor that makes much better mpgs. I really like them.
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The Lexus has small rear seats.
The Mazda is front-wheel drive and is not a "luxury marque."
If you want a really outside the box idea, the late model Jaguar S-Type R is very cheap for what you get and are probably much more reliable than most people think.
#29
20 mpg average is OK. That's better than the 540i.
The Shaguar S-Type R looks interesting. But C&D complain about lack of manumatic selector.
"Upgrading" to an 09 G37 from the 750i will require me to shell out cash. Doesn't make sense if the justification is to prevent the probability of me having to shell out cash to fix the 750i.
The Shaguar S-Type R looks interesting. But C&D complain about lack of manumatic selector.
"Upgrading" to an 09 G37 from the 750i will require me to shell out cash. Doesn't make sense if the justification is to prevent the probability of me having to shell out cash to fix the 750i.
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Really? That's a complaint? Who uses the manual mode in a true automatic? More than once or twice?
My wife had an A3 2.0T with the DSG. I probably used the flappy paddles 30% of the time I drove it and I am a guy who will not daily drive something that doesn't have three pedals.
The biggest challenge with the Shaguar will be finding a quality independent mechanic, assuming you don't want to work on it yourself. That, and properly pronouncing it as "Jag-yoo-arr."
Do you like luxury?
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The new Mazda 6 is an excellent car but only 185hp max. See my response in your other thread .
Left field suggestion: Saab 9-3 Turbo X Sportcombi. They do exist. They are epic. They built some with a manual. They are CHEAP.
Left field suggestion: Saab 9-3 Turbo X Sportcombi. They do exist. They are epic. They built some with a manual. They are CHEAP.
#33
Some interesting suspension tech in the 400 hp Shasguar S-type R:
From C&D
A Torque Monster
And the marketing stuff:
From C&D
A Torque Monster
The CATS adaptive dampers, standard on R models, have been revised so that the two-position Bilstein shocks are now switched individually. Under braking, the front shocks tense up ahead of the rears to reduce dive. A similar strategy is used in cornering to reduce push at lower speeds and encourage understeer for stability at high speeds. Once the car takes a set in a corner, the inside wheels soften up to improve ride and rear-wheel traction. The resultant handling remains in a league with the M5 and Mercedes E55 AMG, but the ride is considerably more plush.
Computer Active Technology Suspension (CATS) - system enhancement
Jaguar's CATS system optimizes ride and handling by using uprated springs to increase roll stiffness and two-stage adaptive dampers under electronic control for ride refinement. The CATS system is very similar to that fitted to Jaguar's XKR.
The CATS dampers have two sets of characteristics, governed by an electronic control unit (ECU). Sensor inputs are provided by vertical accelerometers on the bulkhead and in the luggage compartment, a lateral accelerometer within the under hood engine control module housing and a brake switch. The ECU automatically adjusts the damper settings in microseconds to suit the driving conditions, optimizing ride and handling.
The result is a unique combination of agile handling, outstanding ride comfort and driver control. The operation of the CATS system is completely automatic, requiring no intervention from the driver. CATS is available as standard equipment on the Sports models and the S-TYPE R.
CATS is a two-stage, adaptive damping ride control system that switches the dampers from their normal 'soft' to 'firm' setting and back, when certain predetermined road and vehicle dynamic conditions are met.
The control module uses the information from the vehicle speed and accelerometers and compares this with a pre-programmed set of tuned parameters in the software to determine the appropriate damper setting. When the system is functioning normally, the driver does not have any visual indication when the damper settings are changing from 'firm' to 'soft'.
System Benefits
• CATS automatically optimizes ride and handling under all conditions, maximizing comfort, handling and driver control.
• Provides refined ride comfort for normal driving.
• Automatically changes all four dampers to stiffer sports handling when road conditions demand
• Automatically changes to stiffer sports handling when cornering, as with the original system, but now allows the inner wheels to return to softer settings mid-bend, giving improved ride comfort and increased tractability from the rear wheels.
• Automatically changes to stiffer sports handling when braking. CATS now allows the dampers to return to their soft setting earlier by continually monitoring the brake switch and instantaneous deceleration rate. This reduces the harshness of the road inputs during braking events.
• Automatically switches the rear dampers slightly ahead of the front pair at low speed to reduce transient understeer, giving improve agility and turn-in performance.
• Automatically switches the front pair ahead of the rear pair at high speed to increase transient understeer, giving improved stability.
Jaguar's CATS system optimizes ride and handling by using uprated springs to increase roll stiffness and two-stage adaptive dampers under electronic control for ride refinement. The CATS system is very similar to that fitted to Jaguar's XKR.
The CATS dampers have two sets of characteristics, governed by an electronic control unit (ECU). Sensor inputs are provided by vertical accelerometers on the bulkhead and in the luggage compartment, a lateral accelerometer within the under hood engine control module housing and a brake switch. The ECU automatically adjusts the damper settings in microseconds to suit the driving conditions, optimizing ride and handling.
The result is a unique combination of agile handling, outstanding ride comfort and driver control. The operation of the CATS system is completely automatic, requiring no intervention from the driver. CATS is available as standard equipment on the Sports models and the S-TYPE R.
CATS is a two-stage, adaptive damping ride control system that switches the dampers from their normal 'soft' to 'firm' setting and back, when certain predetermined road and vehicle dynamic conditions are met.
The control module uses the information from the vehicle speed and accelerometers and compares this with a pre-programmed set of tuned parameters in the software to determine the appropriate damper setting. When the system is functioning normally, the driver does not have any visual indication when the damper settings are changing from 'firm' to 'soft'.
System Benefits
• CATS automatically optimizes ride and handling under all conditions, maximizing comfort, handling and driver control.
• Provides refined ride comfort for normal driving.
• Automatically changes all four dampers to stiffer sports handling when road conditions demand
• Automatically changes to stiffer sports handling when cornering, as with the original system, but now allows the inner wheels to return to softer settings mid-bend, giving improved ride comfort and increased tractability from the rear wheels.
• Automatically changes to stiffer sports handling when braking. CATS now allows the dampers to return to their soft setting earlier by continually monitoring the brake switch and instantaneous deceleration rate. This reduces the harshness of the road inputs during braking events.
• Automatically switches the rear dampers slightly ahead of the front pair at low speed to reduce transient understeer, giving improve agility and turn-in performance.
• Automatically switches the front pair ahead of the rear pair at high speed to increase transient understeer, giving improved stability.
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I will try to find you some links. There are a couple of places that serve the aftermarket, including maintenance and repair parts.
Also, where is hornetball's G8 suggestion? Are they holding value too well to fit the criteria?
Also, where is hornetball's G8 suggestion? Are they holding value too well to fit the criteria?
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I think the Jaguar XJR is also in the ballpark, pricewise. Super classy. I might consider downsizing the wheels one inch if you can find some that will clear the brakes.
Eurotoys is one of the shops I remember reading about when I was contemplating the Jagyooarrs.
Eurotoys is one of the shops I remember reading about when I was contemplating the Jagyooarrs.
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#40
G8 has REALLY held value. Shockingly so. Glad I have one.
I'd say the G8 is more muscle/performance than luxury (V8 supercar series rugby player). It's nice and quiet and rides really well, but not an ounce of real or fake wood anywhere. The leather is industrial strength. This suits me just fine -- I like the interiors of tactical aircraft. Jason OTH. LOL.
I'd say the G8 is more muscle/performance than luxury (V8 supercar series rugby player). It's nice and quiet and rides really well, but not an ounce of real or fake wood anywhere. The leather is industrial strength. This suits me just fine -- I like the interiors of tactical aircraft. Jason OTH. LOL.