What is Pc Pro and why would you want 40 of them on your car?
 

I DON'T HAVE OR WANT A PC PRO! People around town have some and they talk shit. I just need to know how they work and what they are to talk BS back...

Damn instant hate mail. Lol

I bought a EMU from a guy to sell to get an MS. If I can't get a profit on Ebay I'll use the EMU.

No flame suit here and no chaps on.

HAhahah. Yall are on these pc pro guys like SALT ON A SNAIL!

I just want to be able to appreciate the hate. Thats all.

I'll have to be more clear next time. Lol

Thanks

This video will explain PcPro to you.

Put on your flamesuit.

Gotta love instant hate mail. Lol

Let me clear this up.

I DON'T HAVE A PC PRO! nor do I want one.
I have an EMU off craigslist to sell for profit to get MS. If it doesn't sell I'll use it.

MY FIRE EXTINGUISHER IS ARMED AND READY. No flaming here

Damn Im going to have to rephrase my posting to be more clear. Lol. Yall are on these boys like a pit bull on a baby rabbit with peanut butter up its ass. LOL.

Strangest metaphor ever... :bigtu:

Why is the PC Pro so bad?

It's not, it's just that it's not an intercooler... which is how it has been advertised.

I have one in my livingroom and I'd swear that the room is at least 10 to 15 degrees cooler than the rest of the house. So I guess that it is really an innercouler.

What does it do, extend the on time of the injectors?

Yes.

Google search magically revealed http://www.powercardtuning.com/produ...pro/index.aspx

Try to search first more often.

I didn't even know what "PC" stood for.

Have there been engine failures with the FFS coldside?

Yes, likely due to Toms view of tuning methods or something like that.
Because he feels that the extra fuel injected with a pcpro effectively cools the intake charge enough to not need an intercooler. Most of the engine failures were due to the knock from high intake temps.

Thus many of the quotes and phrases you see used around here such as "PCPRO= Intercooler. MS, EMU= Not an intercooler." "Needs more PCPRO"

Another reason the coldsides had such hot intake temps and tendency to knock is because they lack the crossover tube used in hotside setups which effectively acts like an intercooler, to a degree.

come over to my house and I'll show you some pc-pro...just how daddy did. You've been a bad boy, and now you're going to get what you deserve.

yes. basically you're modifying the pulse widths.


however it's also utilized to control a 5th injector (aka intercooler)

Tom has been unable to grasp the concept that: Gasoline 350 kJ/kg < Water 2256 kJ/kg

His tuning method is as following. Tune fuel to equal 13:1, then tune 5th injector to = 12:1. Dont retard timing, ignore knock.

LOL, sad but true. He also runs out of main injector and ignores the fact that liquids won't evenly distribute through a log type manifold. :vash:

Not really. The crossover tube doesn't make any difference that matters...

the other sad thing is, as far as i can tell with their dynos, the two pc-pros do handle fuel well...if the 5th injector was for fueling, a FMIC was used and ignition timing taken care of it wouldn't be such a bad turn key solution. just expensive and it's simply easier to handle with an all-in-one ems package.

That was a simile

wow, did you guys just explain to someone what a pc-pro is and what it does? thats a first, lol
someone please show this to gary, lol

Sticky

Is this what he does with the coldside?

What does he claim is the difference between letting gasoline vaporize in the cylinders vs. earlier, before the manifold? The total heat absorbed should be the same.

Or is it that extending the main injectors' on time isn't enough to get the AFR below 13:1 because they're too small?

Does the PC Pro work off of a MAP sensor?

PC-Pro I think works off RPM.

Yes he is running out of main injectors. The MP62 with the pulley he provides is good for 200 whp minimum, realistically 205-210. There's not 200 whp worth of fuel in the stock fuel system. There's maybe 190 in a NB, 170 in a NA8, and 160 in a NA6 if the injectors are all fresh and the pump is strong.

I don't see what would be wrong with a PCP based system, as a PNP solution, if used with pulleys that made less boost.

Yup, MAP and rpm

He uses an M62 for the coldside?

Yeah. It was when BRP decided on switching their Coldside kit from M45 to MP62 he was hired to help. He did a new manifold but cast instead of the previous CNC piece. The sad part there is that the old BRP piece was boxy etc. because it had to be easy to CNC out from a block of aluminum. When going cast he could've done some nicer better flowing design (take a look at the Elise forum what nice manifolds their vendors did over just few months R&D) but he didn't - it is a copycat of the BRP CNC blocky piece with a little mounting polish and the bigger blower bolted to it. When BRP went down (I guess because of the ELF piggyback investment - they lost lots of money there), Tom decided to advertise it as his own creation. Back then he was talking big words about making the same manifold for S2000, NC Miatas, etc. but these never materialized. Now he is pretty much selling what he had with BRP back then. Instead of ELF he uses the PCPro from Moss.

His only so called "innovation" is, running a 5th injector and along with it selling a second PCPro piggyback (because the first one can't handle more outputs) for another $400 and calling it with tricky marketing name E-Cool intercooler instead of just "extra injector controlled by PCPro" (like pretty much everyone else using a 5th injector does).

He got CARB EO too.

Later contrary to his initial claims about not needing timing control he figured out he might need such and now testing PCPro timing cards from Moss. So if you're running his stuff you might end up running 3 piggybacks for maybe $1K or over. For that much money on the market you can find piggybacks which are much cheaper and can do much more in a single box...

What does he claim is the difference between letting gasoline vaporize in the cylinders vs. earlier, before the manifold? The total heat absorbed should be the same.