What is whith all the DSM converts?
 

Why have they swarmed our humble turbo comunity with their bigger than 2 L engine experience FWD/AWD suspension techniques and factory tune 300+ cc injector cars with built in Intercoolers and map sensors etc. It is as if they expect this to be as easy as slapping a bigger turbo FMIC/safc on a talon and run 12's/11's. I agree they hae alot to offer on some of there tunning and turbo stuff but not alot as far as applying it to a miata goes esp when staying with the stock ecu on smaller motors or ecus without the resolution to run 800+ cc injectors. What do you guys think of the DSM'ers flooding the miata market good or bad?

I am one of them. I agree, sometimes I totally forget about the .4L difference and other things: the DSM from the factory has a really good ECU with knock sensor, 450cc/min injectors, an over-engineered fuel system. There's a learning curve for me. Don't ban us. This forum is absolute gold, I won't be able to turbo my car without it.

And don't confuse all DSM guys as being the same, 90% of them are tards who only got DSMs when they got cheap and 18-year-olds could afford them on their Best Buy/KFC wages.

True that is why we have the poll. The baord shall decide. :rofl: 18 yr old tards i love it.

Ban Them! I'm just feeling petty today!

Mark

ouch :rofl:

Darwin was on to something. The whole evolution thing can be applied to our little turbo world here.
Survival of the fittest is a true test... and Philip is Mother Nature.
You must learn to adapt to new surroundings, DSM vs. Miata. If you want to have fun and make little horsepower babies... you gotta know how the locals like it! Don't forget to cup the balls.

If you invade with some fancy new theories and technology that work or is at least sound on principle, the locals who adapt will perform better and reward you... but if it's some non-applicable disease ridden bullshit that clearly wasn't reserched, the locals will probably ban you before we break out in sores and scabs.

I'm always interested to see if anyone can come up with a build plan better or even significantly different than the "norm" around here that has any distinct advantage. T25 or T3 w/Begi Manifold and DP, eBay IC, MegaSquirt (or Bipes/AFPR/fuelpump), injectors, a decent exhaust, and the assorted piping, fittings, and lines... how much easier or "better" could 200+whp be? The hardest thing involved in turbo-ing a Miata is tapping the pan.

This was my desire before I bought my car and researched it much. Now it's like, why reinvent the wheel? I'm following a pretty proven path right now thanks to these forums. I have some different ideas about certain things- but they're trivial in the grand scheme of what I've learned from people here.

With exception to JW, the other DSM converts that have come over here are obnoxious twits. I wanted to click ban them but didn't because I don't want to ban JW. Fuck the rest of them. Especially that canadian shit head who calls himself "turbo expert" in his avatar.

You guys need to remember inovators like https://www.miataturbo.net/forums/member.php?u=121 who ran 250 or better whp on stock ecu etc. https://www.miataturbo.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1026 Or markp with his infenate testing of varius setups and general briliance. etc. Hell adambradley for waking up alot of us on the MS craze or people like cccpull, WOT, boostinsteve or me that have realy advocated the WI craze others helped to. But all in all the small differences and inovations we find help everyone. Becouse we as enthusiasts are one big wrench turning family. And of course people like phillip, lola, braineack and olderguy etc represent the original movement that brought us together in a way. i dunno maybe i am just reading to much into the forum. I for one am depressed unless i can at least read it daily to see how everyone is doing.

This forum is gold. I've learned so much from his place. As long as they keep the bullshit antics in the BS forum, I'm fine with them.

i'm a former dsmer, those cars were so easy that most dsmers would actually learn things here, i know i did even though i've yet to make HALF of the hp my dsm had....soon though

I'm a convert also..... I think I did ok!?!?

The miata is still slower than the laser..... but soooo much more fun to drive.

besides , what fun would it be without people to harass about dumb ideas???

me too :dancegay:

Look under the hood of your Miata. Half the shit has Mitsu stamped on it. Coil packs, igniter, IAC, and half the other shit. DSMs is a big DIY community.

It's a lot easier to find an older than '94 Miata in good condition that it is an unmolested DSM.

Frank

Why ban DSMers? They are about as close as it comes to the miata community. Everything that is documented as DIY here pretty much has been done in the DSM community. I remember about 3 years ago when they were doing DIY Water injection/intercooler spraying using like components from some marine store online. It was impressive. The people that contribute to DSMtuners.com (Shepard, etc) build proven products. Now, seeing as how a good portion of the people on this board are ex-dsmers (UofAcats, Mach929, myself), is it beneficial to ban us or is someone just generalizing? :)

a few others make it easy to stereotype against the rest... :gay:

the good ole' MT.net sterotype...I love this site..

keep em around, they are good guys and newbs are newbs....(no offense newbsauce :) )

I'm a toyota convert, sorta. but my shit had yamaha stamped on it.

Whatever dude. Go blow up your 6" rear end racing the ferrari.

Exactly as newbsauce said above, everything here on MT.net has been done years and years ago in the DSM world. They are the kings of going fast for cheap period. The only thing that never really took off is megasquirt, which I should have in my car sometime soon.

I might. I might not.
Either way, you won't be here to see it. :rofl:
I'll be sure to post results in the BS section.

Canadian, smartass, and Ex-DSMer know-it-all....sorry buddy, three strikes.


cause nothing on a DSM breaks/fails, ever.

What's with the hostility towards Canada? We've never done anything ... to anyone. :)

Haha. :ugh2:

I haven't posted almost anything in a while, I fail to see why I would be banned. But whatever lynch me. Its not like the info on the forum is going anywhere. Anonymity is just one click (Privoxy/Tor/etc) and one new userid away.

Please change your location information. Advertising that you are from Canada is doing nothing for Canada US relations. George W is likely to invade soon if you keep acting like a total twat. Quit it.

Login ban for the win.

:rofl: Scott is ruthless!!

X 3

i like dsm's cause they can do this...hehe
http://videos.streetfire.net/mostdis...2d016f425b.htm

as for the people...i don't know...i'll leave that up to the poll

nice

whatever. c6 z06 is an 11 second car. and under 10 seconds with a 100 shot.

DSM's make crazy power and with awd they put it down very well. 350-400hp cars are common and you can buy them already built for 5k all day. It's just a different creature from our miata's. The Miata is a fun, light, agile car that you feel easily connected to. The DSM is a hammer. It's heavy, has numb steering but is well developed for turbo's and goes like stink when built.

The problems with DSM guys are just like every other car convert. I'm a muscle car guy. I happen to currently have a buick gs400. Just like the miata forum having problems with honda and mitsu guys, the buick guys hate the chevy and mopar people. Not all the developement or technology that works for other cars can translate. There are different oiling issues, water issues, compression issues, strength of stock parts, breathability, availability of parts, etc.

Every one should be welcome and new ideas can be great. Just don't come in with experience in another make of car and expect you know it all about ours.

ding ding ding.

I really do not mind them, but if they really want to ride in a fast car, I got to drive both a lingenfelter C5, and a henessey viper the other day. Those cars do not even need to put the power down, they just shred the road.

I hate buicks :vash:

I hate unlocked axis-ratio resizes :vash:

i Made it as big as possible ;) not my fualt the specs arent for a square. :rofl: MS paint FTW

https://www.miataturbo.net/braineack.../barebones.jpg

FTW

you chopped of the rear tire i could have done that with a simple resize i shrunk it down percentage until it fit. Without cutting anything off

Driving the "stripped down" version has gotta be murder on your taint.