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Leafy 01-06-2018 12:15 PM

Can you not keep your wallet on a normal USB stick or your hard drive anymore. Thats the thing that makes this all kind of confusing I guess right now it seems like its similar to investing in stock but with a couple extra websites. Wallet is like your bank account, but then you need another site to transfer to an exchange, buy the stuff, transfer it back to the transfer site and then back to your wallet. Not like investing where you put cash money into the investment website and then buy and sell your shit from that one site and keep your balance there. If like a wallet site could directly integrate the other two things it would probably decimate the other types of sites. Unless theres a site like this that I havent found.

Ryan_G 01-06-2018 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1460288)
Can you not keep your wallet on a normal USB stick or your hard drive anymore. Thats the thing that makes this all kind of confusing I guess right now it seems like its similar to investing in stock but with a couple extra websites. Wallet is like your bank account, but then you need another site to transfer to an exchange, buy the stuff, transfer it back to the transfer site and then back to your wallet. Not like investing where you put cash money into the investment website and then buy and sell your shit from that one site and keep your balance there. If like a wallet site could directly integrate the other two things it would probably decimate the other types of sites. Unless theres a site like this that I havent found.

Coinbase allows you to transfer money into a wallet and buy/sell/store a few different types of crypto. The issue right now is it only offers 4 coins (ethereum, litecoin, Bitcoin cash, and Bitcoin).

vitamin j 01-06-2018 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1460288)
Can you not keep your wallet on a normal USB stick or your hard drive anymore. Thats the thing that makes this all kind of confusing I guess right now it seems like its similar to investing in stock but with a couple extra websites. Wallet is like your bank account, but then you need another site to transfer to an exchange, buy the stuff, transfer it back to the transfer site and then back to your wallet. Not like investing where you put cash money into the investment website and then buy and sell your shit from that one site and keep your balance there. If like a wallet site could directly integrate the other two things it would probably decimate the other types of sites. Unless theres a site like this that I havent found.

You totally can just let your balance ride on the exchange like it was your investment website. The issue is that digital currency is not insured by the FED which means if the exchange gets "hacked" you are shit out of luck. The private key is basically the combination to your safe, and on an exchange you give your private key to them in order to spend your money. Since there is no government insurance or much regulation at all, you are just trusting them with all your money. There are some exchanges that are backed by private insurance, like Cobinhood, and that model will probably win out.

The thing about digital currency is that you are your own bank. You are responsible for your own shit. No big brother watching over you. There are so many stories of people losing their private keys and their fortune of bitcoin. On the other hand, if you keep hold of all your own crypto, and only send crypto directly to other people, it is basically impossible to tax :cool:

samnavy 01-07-2018 04:44 AM

Get rich in the stock market playing sub-penny bitcoin plays without ever actually owning any currency (taxes be damned). I'm up $1k in RMRK and am gonna cash out sometime this week depending on what I see happen Monday. I also have a bridge for sale if interested, PM.

BGordon 01-08-2018 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1460112)
I fully understand Fiat money and how it works. Something is only worth what someone is willing to give you for it. If there is a scare and people dump Bitcoin for cash then no matter what you paid for it you won't be able to get much for it. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth or what someone on the internet says it's worth if no one is willing to give you anything for what you got. It's about supply and demand as you have stated. I'm simply saying that if confidence in it falls then there will be little demand. The dollar is well valued because people have confidence it won't suddenly fall. If Bitcoin drops to $8,000 next week the casual investors may flee end dump their shares possibly driving it down to 4000. That might piss off the more serious investors and they may dump some of theirs as they watch the value in free fall........

This matches my gut feeling, which is why I have stayed completely away from bitcoin and similar stuff.
It feels like a pyramid scheme.
There is a decent article on it here.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bigge...145634830.html

On a tangent, Sixshooter; where is the picture you use from? I wanna see her with the safety harness removed.

sixshooter 01-08-2018 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by BGordon (Post 1460675)
This matches my gut feeling, which is why I have stayed completely away from bitcoin and similar stuff.
It feels like a pyramid scheme.
There is a decent article on it here.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bigge...145634830.html

On a tangent, Sixshooter; where is the picture you use from? I wanna see her with the safety harness removed.

There's plenty of melons on the interwebz. You don't need my help.

http://static.adweek.com/adweek.com-...k-hed-2015.jpg

BGordon 01-08-2018 04:29 PM

Agreed, boobs are probably the most common sight on the internet.

I know that but I want to get a better look at her in particular.
Finding that one pair without assistance would be like finding a specific grain of sand on a beach.
Just about the same odds as winning the lottery.

Girz0r 01-18-2018 04:08 PM

For what it's worth...

NiceHash is back.

https://www.nicehash.com/cpu-gpu-mining


NiceHash Miner 2.0.1.8 is here!
2018-01-17

New release of the NiceHash Miner is now available for download: 2.0.1.8

Version 2.0.1.8 brings the following changes and improvements:

Updated excavator to v1.3.9a
Added algorithm Nist5 for NVIDIA cards
Improved NeoScrypt performance
Improved Nicehash email login validation
Improved algorithm switching
Various performance optimizations
Various bug fixes and improvements

If you experience any problems or bugs, we suggest you update your NVIDIA drivers first.

Your NiceHash team.

UrbanSoot 01-18-2018 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Girz0r (Post 1462304)
For what it's worth...

NiceHash is back.

https://www.nicehash.com/cpu-gpu-mining

I've been mining at home using NiceHash for the past couple of days. Getting about $7-8/day on a slightly overclocked 1080ti. In other news - my 5x 1060 ETH mining rig just died :(

2slow 01-19-2018 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by UrbanSoot (Post 1462338)
I've been mining at home using NiceHash for the past couple of days. Getting about $7-8/day on a slightly overclocked 1080ti. In other news - my 5x 1060 ETH mining rig just died :(

That's after electricity costs in CA? Or do you also use it as a heater in the bedroom at night? Unless you have solar of course...

UrbanSoot 01-19-2018 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 1462473)
That's after electricity costs in CA? Or do you also use it as a heater in the bedroom at night? Unless you have solar of course...

Not sure what it cost. It's still profitable. My big miner is at the office where we don't pay for electricity.

Leafy 01-19-2018 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 1462473)
That's after electricity costs in CA? Or do you also use it as a heater in the bedroom at night? Unless you have solar of course...

Figure a modern 1 card system pulls ~300 watts while mining. So in 24 hours thats 7.2 KWh on your electric bill. That would cost me about $1.30/day in my house or $1.80/day in my garage.

whitrzac 01-22-2018 03:10 PM

In WI I pay ~$0.12Kwh.

My 28 rx 570/580 cards make about $100 a day right now and cost ~$200 a month in electricity. Each 7 card rig is drawing ~1100w.
Right now I make more on crypto than I actually do showing up for work...

2slow 01-22-2018 08:19 PM

Yea, I'm paying $0.40kWh.... No mining for me.

Love watching news and tickers though:

Ripple co-founder loses $44 billion on paper


Why on paper? Because he is rich only in his own monopoly game and he doesn't actually have 44 billion :)

GeneSplicer 02-10-2018 07:50 PM

I just jumped into the pool - literally in mining talk. Bought a Vega 64 to run my 3 1440 monitors for iracing - but since my sim isn't there yet, decided to wade into the crypto waters.... man... it's deep! So now I'm at 2050 h/s for XMR using cast_xmr miner... and my piwer is cheap... like .08kwh cheap. Now if only Monero gains in value :)

2slow 02-10-2018 11:34 PM

My GeForce 1070 is largely idling since I've stopped gaming... thinking about selling it for 2x I paid for it

DeerHunter 02-10-2018 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 1466450)
My GeForce 1070 is largely idling since I've stopped gaming... thinking about selling it for 2x I paid for it

The whole video card scene is really annoying now. I was recently looking to upgrade my video card (Radeon HD7850) since it's marginal for current games. I just about had a heart attack when I saw current prices - not that anybody has any stock in any case.

UrbanSoot 02-11-2018 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by DeerHunter (Post 1466451)
The whole video card scene is really annoying now. I was recently looking to upgrade my video card (Radeon HD7850) since it's marginal for current games. I just about had a heart attack when I saw current prices - not that anybody has any stock in any case.

I can get Gigabyte 1080s at very reasonable prices but it has to be bought together with a Gigabyte motherboard.

Leafy 02-11-2018 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 1466450)
My GeForce 1070 is largely idling since I've stopped gaming... thinking about selling it for 2x I paid for it

Not a bad idea. You get a 970 on eBay from a miner for like 150. That'll play pretty much anything anyways.

2slow 02-11-2018 10:30 AM

I hope AMD uses this situation to gain market share. They can easily add a few lines of code into firmware to throttle the cards if used by miners with downgrade firmware lock. This way new cards would become largely useless to miners and they would have to use other types of processors.

UrbanSoot 02-12-2018 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 1466469)
I hope AMD uses this situation to gain market share. They can easily add a few lines of code into firmware to throttle the cards if used by miners with downgrade firmware lock. This way new cards would become largely useless to miners and they would have to use other types of processors.

Yeah... It's not that simple. Every miner I know uses custom BIOS on AMD cards.

2slow 02-13-2018 05:27 PM

You can lock bios flashes as well by requiring on board chips to verify security signature in the firmware. If the firmware isn't signed - it gets rejected by the card.

UrbanSoot 02-13-2018 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 1466881)
You can lock bios flashes as well by requiring on board chips to verify security signature in the firmware. If the firmware isn't signed - it gets rejected by the card.

They could, but AMD doesn't do that. It's also possible to spoof the signature.

2slow 02-14-2018 03:41 PM

Well, spoofing signatures is a rare thing and is only possible under specific circumstances (as for example on Android where even self-signed certs are accepted. But then again - they are not used to verify authenticity/publisher but actually to verify that the same entity is updating/changing the app). Or maybe in situations where a crypto alg with a known weakness was used, or if you are really good/lucky you actually find a weakness (extremely rare) - then yes, you could potentially reconstruct private key and use it to sign the package. I really doubt that it is doable where a single entity controls all three points - card doing the check, private signature used to sign the firmware and public key programmed in the card. Just too many IFs.

UrbanSoot 02-14-2018 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by 2slow (Post 1467065)
Well, spoofing signatures is a rare thing and is only possible under specific circumstances (as for example on Android where even self-signed certs are accepted. But then again - they are not used to verify authenticity/publisher but actually to verify that the same entity is updating/changing the app). Or maybe in situations where a crypto alg with a known weakness was used, or if you are really good/lucky you actually find a weakness (extremely rare) - then yes, you could potentially reconstruct private key and use it to sign the package. I really doubt that it is doable where a single entity controls all three points - card doing the check, private signature used to sign the firmware and public key programmed in the card. Just too many IFs.

I totally agree. It's extremely difficult. I don't think it will make any sense for AMD to lock the firmware because it will deter miners from purchasing the cards (no voltage control = higher power usage, lower hash rates).

A much better move for them will be to offer more variants of compute-only cards based on desktop GPU used for mining. Biggest challenge will be offering the same level of SLA as FirePro with a chip designed for desktop use. If they offer it, they have to make sure it will last a reasonable amount of time (at least 5 years) under 24/7 use.

2slow 02-14-2018 05:38 PM

Miners can take responsibility for appropriate hardware operations (op temps and cooling, dust control, etc).

They don't have enough manufacturing capacity to satisfy the mining demand alone, forget about miners and gamers. Locking gaming cards to prevent mining and then dedicating a part of the supply line to mining, but charge premium would make sense all around. Even for miners as the cost goes up and total mining rate will slow down, making each mined coin more valuable. This will also even out the costs distribution between miners who have access to free or cheap electricity and those who are hampered by it. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

bahurd 02-14-2018 08:16 PM

Apparently you Bitcoiners are going to cause us to miss ET phoning home... Knock it off!

Crypto currency mining is hampering the search for alien life.

y8s 02-16-2018 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by bahurd (Post 1467112)
Apparently you Bitcoiners are going to cause us to miss ET phoning home... Knock it off!

Crypto currency mining is hampering the search for alien life.


Gridcoin + SETI@home = everybody wins.

Of course when we find aliens, all money becomes worthless.

Stealth97 02-23-2018 12:05 AM

I started mining my own ether on my 1050ti... I see a couple solution accepted messages scroll across the screen and check my balance...

>web3.fromWei(eth.getBalance(eth.coinbase), "ether")
10
>

Surely I did not get lucky and really mine 10 eth that quickly... considering that's over 8 grand.

..AAAND it disappeared after a restart. Must have been an error...

y8s 06-28-2019 02:44 PM

interesting that this thread didn't wake up the other day when all the coins hit their year highs...

Fireindc 06-28-2019 11:58 PM

Cuz we're all just HODLing

shuiend 06-29-2019 12:05 AM

I currently "camping" at a girl scout camp in west VA owned by a guy who has made millions off BTC.

sixshooter 06-29-2019 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1540405)
I currently "camping" at a girl scout camp in west VA owned by a guy who has made millions off BTC.

When did you become a girl scout? You are so hard to keep up with.

shuiend 06-30-2019 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1540414)
When did you become a girl scout? You are so hard to keep up with.


Girl Scouts couldn't keep up with the mortgage payment. So my friend came in and bought 800 acres of amazing west VA land for stupid cheap. He also owns Dream Mountain Ranch which is one of if not the largest private game ranch on the east coast.

y8s 07-03-2019 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1540402)
Cuz we're all just HODLing

I sold a little but heldl the rest. still mining though.


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