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elesjuan 01-30-2008 11:35 PM

Who thinks I'll get banned from m.net
 
If I show up in one of Toms :hustler: "megasquirt sucks and you're gonna LOSE IT ALL!!!" threads with my signature??

Trent 01-30-2008 11:45 PM

Oh, that's Tom? I always wondered why you had a picture of David Crosby in your sig. lol.

elesjuan 01-30-2008 11:51 PM

OH yeah, thats Tom alright.. As found by Joe Perez...

http://www.knacktoys.com/Jane-Hull-1.gif
http://www.joeyvan.com/pictures/years/RipTaylor.jpg

paul 01-31-2008 12:14 AM

thats not captain kangaroo?

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_pho...roo-inside.jpghttp://www.aginghipsters.com/blog/archives/captaink.jpg

y8s 01-31-2008 12:18 AM

aka rip taylor??

http://www.mrbreakfast.com/images/rip2.jpg

urgaynknowit 01-31-2008 12:22 AM

i dont understand? some one clue me in to whats going on

spike 01-31-2008 01:35 AM


Originally Posted by elesjuan (Post 207202)
If I show up in one of Toms :hustler: "megasquirt sucks and you're gonna LOSE IT ALL!!!" threads with my signature??

I say give it a shot.If you get banned,who cares,it's m.net.

elesjuan 01-31-2008 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by urgaynknowit (Post 207226)
i dont understand? some one clue me in to whats going on

Tom is the moron from Fast Forward Superchargers, aka Tom@FFS on m.net. Hes an idiot that refuses to think stand alone ECU systems in boosted miatas is a viable solution for controlling fuel and spark.. He thinks that the PowerCard is the best thing to grace a miata since a supercharger was used as a vacuum pump on a diesel. Also refuses to accept the fact that a high boost forced induction setup on a miata requires (for safety for fucks sake.. Wait a second.. FFS... For Fuck Sake..lol. I digress.) an intercooler solution. Instead, he Trademarked "E-Cool" which is a shitty bandaid that turbo buick owners figured out in 1982 was a really fucking bad idea and started blowing their shit up. Toms solution instead of intercooler, timing control, and REAL fuel control is make the car run fucking pig rich with P-P-P-Powercard!!! then add EVEN MORE FUCKING FUEL as a bandaid intake charge cooling solution which might work pretty well if his miata was powered by NITRO METHANE!

Theres a story told in my signature which I forgot to add a few slides into..

First off, Theres a chicken and he says "Quack!" There are two things behind that, first off I think Tom is just that, a fucking Quack. Second off, a "chicken and a duck are the same thing, only their poo is different." Which if I remember correctly came from Tom always going back on things he says, and turning around the truth, blame other people, and never will answer a question directly.

Second theres the P-P-P-Powercard!! Which should explain it all... Just add a powercard, from the Quack!


Third slide: For Fucks Sake, just add an FFS supercharger.. Knock knock goes your engine, from lack of engine controls and 300+ degree IATs..

Fourth Slide: Just add a Mazda BP engine into the solution and it all goes kablooey!!!!! Which in short, it just fucking blows up. Theres been like 4 or 5 cars I've read about online that hes blown up with shitty EMS solutions and 14psi from an MP62.

Fifth and Final slide is also pretty self explanatory, but I'll post Joe's findings again from another thread anyway to recap. Hes a fucking yo-yo.. Literally the man used to play with toys, as an adult, and even in that venue was a douchebag to his competition and just people in general.


https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/sho...7&postcount=28

Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 192087)
Here’s the fulltext of CARB EO D-617, covering his supercharger. Note that it is issued to Knack Toys LLC, with the “brand name” of FFS. http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-617.pdf

Here is the Knack Toys homepage: http://www.knacktoys.com

Here is a picture suggesting a relationship between KnackToys and the former BR Performance: http://www.knacktoys.com/BR-Performance/5.jpg

Here are the WhoIs entries concerning the registration of the FFS.com and KnackToys.com domain names: http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d...argers&tld=com
http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=knacktoys&tld=com
Note that Tom is the registrant of both, with the same address, phone, and email.

Here is an article written by Tom for the Museum of Yo-Yo history: http://www.theyoyomuseum.com/museum_...ction=yoyo_tom

Here is a bio inferring that Tom does not play well with others in the Yo-Yo scene any better than he does in the Miata scene: http://www.mitchells.com/wordpress/?p=41

Here is a muck-raking page contributed to by Tom, alleging that a home builder in Tucson “cheated” him out of more then $300,000: http://www.mymccrearyhomesucks.com/images/vde.html Be sure to read the whole thing- apparently Tom can’t even figure out how to properly file frivolous claims in the state of Arizona.


God, if I’m not careful I’m gonna end up being one of “those guys” who spends all his time digging up dirt to satisfy a grudge. :D

Now thats some funny shit. Hes a fucking yo-yo master!!

Basically the complete ignorance of that man totally blows me away, and sadly in my spare time I get a good laugh out of heckling him on this board. I love miataturbo.net

Torkel 01-31-2008 02:51 AM

Holy hateful post, batman! It is time to put on the shrink glasses:

"So... how long have you carried these agression inside you? Did you masturbate a lot as a child? How is your relationship with your mother?"

When you do post it, make sure you post the thread here quickly. This is a show we do not want to miss.

Zabac 01-31-2008 09:32 AM

i love the story sig...QUACK!

The_Pipefather 01-31-2008 10:27 AM

You know guys, I've been following this whole Tom bashing thing here with a lot of interest.

I think the only way to put him in his place is to get one of his superchargers, add an intercooler, and megasquirt that shit. That way, with his own product, you make like 20% more hp than he did, get better gas mileage and just "do it the way its meant to be done". That ought to shut him up instantly.

But hey, who has the money and the time to waste on something like that?


EDIT: Just saw this on his website


Originally Posted by Tom on his website
Fast Forward Superchargers is owned and operated by Tom Van Dan Elzen in Phoenix, Arizona. With a history primarily in aerospace engineering and yoyo design


:eek:Wouldn't trust this guy with my bicycle let alone my car.

Braineack 01-31-2008 10:33 AM

the best way to get him is to actually get the people who's motors blown to stop signing gag orders and go public. He's going to run out of excuses eventually.


It's not about how much power one makes over the other.
It's not about how turbos are better than SCers.
It's not about how the PC-PRO sucks as a fueling device for low boost.

It IS that e-cool is retarded and unsafe.
It IS that the PC-PRO is unsafe for high boost.

Tom cornered a nitch in the FI market; I think the quote goes "there's a sucker born every minute"

It's just like his highly arguable signature:
99 10AE with Coldside. 220WHP 15+ PSI NON-INTERCOOLED
137,000 miles with 107,000 over 200WHP

HA! it used to say 20+ PSI

It IS intercooled (e-cool is an intercooler) and I highly doubt he's been boosting that many miles at 15+, and if so, it was most likely all highway cruise.

Tom knows nothing about engine management and what makes a safe tune. He's personally blown a few motors dyno tuning and like to rub dick on his handlebars.

spike 01-31-2008 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by elesjuan (Post 207250)
Tom is the moron from Fast Forward Superchargers, aka Tom@FFS on m.net. Hes an idiot that refuses to think stand alone ECU systems in boosted miatas is a viable solution for controlling fuel and spark.. He thinks that the PowerCard is the best thing to grace a miata since a supercharger was used as a vacuum pump on a diesel. Also refuses to accept the fact that a high boost forced induction setup on a miata requires (for safety for fucks sake.. Wait a second.. FFS... For Fuck Sake..lol. I digress.) an intercooler solution. Instead, he Trademarked "E-Cool" which is a shitty bandaid that turbo buick owners figured out in 1982 was a really fucking bad idea and started blowing their shit up. Toms solution instead of intercooler, timing control, and REAL fuel control is make the car run fucking pig rich with P-P-P-Powercard!!! then add EVEN MORE FUCKING FUEL as a bandaid intake charge cooling solution which might work pretty well if his miata was powered by NITRO METHANE!

Theres a story told in my signature which I forgot to add a few slides into..

First off, Theres a chicken and he says "Quack!" There are two things behind that, first off I think Tom is just that, a fucking Quack. Second off, a "chicken and a duck are the same thing, only their poo is different." Which if I remember correctly came from Tom always going back on things he says, and turning around the truth, blame other people, and never will answer a question directly.

Second theres the P-P-P-Powercard!! Which should explain it all... Just add a powercard, from the Quack!


Third slide: For Fucks Sake, just add an FFS supercharger.. Knock knock goes your engine, from lack of engine controls and 300+ degree IATs..

Fourth Slide: Just add a Mazda BP engine into the solution and it all goes kablooey!!!!! Which in short, it just fucking blows up. Theres been like 4 or 5 cars I've read about online that hes blown up with shitty EMS solutions and 14psi from an MP62.

Fifth and Final slide is also pretty self explanatory, but I'll post Joe's findings again from another thread anyway to recap. Hes a fucking yo-yo.. Literally the man used to play with toys, as an adult, and even in that venue was a douchebag to his competition and just people in general.


https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/sho...7&postcount=28


Now thats some funny shit. Hes a fucking yo-yo master!!

Basically the complete ignorance of that man totally blows me away, and sadly in my spare time I get a good laugh out of heckling him on this board. I love miataturbo.net

This post needs to be stickied.

j_man 01-31-2008 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 207312)
It's just like his highly arguable signature:
99 10AE with Coldside. 220WHP 15+ PSI NON-INTERCOOLED
137,000 miles with 107,000 over 200WHP

HA! it used to say 20+ PSI

IIRC most of these supercharged miles are with his old BRP Hotside + standalone SDS ECU setup (and whatever was there before that), I remember at the BRP forums when he was posting about something like 70K boosted on Brant's setup. He doesn't mention anything about that anymore - like all these 100K were on his kit and PCPro which didn't exist back then

But anyway mileage doesn't mean much - a guy with 10K miles who goes at the track every other weekend would have had the car in boost much more than 100K miles of cross country cruising and a couple of track days.

elesjuan 01-31-2008 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by The_Pipefather (Post 207306)
You know guys, I've been following this whole Tom bashing thing here with a lot of interest.

I think the only way to put him in his place is to get one of his superchargers, add an intercooler, and megasquirt that shit. That way, with his own product, you make like 20% more hp than he did, get better gas mileage and just "do it the way its meant to be done". That ought to shut him up instantly.

But hey, who has the money and the time to waste on something like that?


EDIT: Just saw this on his website


Originally Posted by Tom on his website
Fast Forward Superchargers is owned and operated by Tom Van Dan Elzen in Phoenix, Arizona. With a history primarily in aerospace engineering and yoyo design
:eek:Wouldn't trust this guy with my bicycle let alone my car.


Aerospace engineering? For who, The Soviet Union?? I hardly see the correlation between AE, Yo-yo Design, physics, mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, and a fucking car... I mean, what, I designed a yo-yo so that means I know how to build a forced induction system for an automotive performance application??? Yo-Yo.. isn't that a lot like the guy who invented the Pet rock? Or maybe it was the "Jump... to Conclusions mat.."

http://literalbarrage.org/blog/wp-co...fice_space.jpg

Get real. I used to work for a Cable television company doing installations in peoples homes, and by far the worst wiring job I've EVER seen in a house was one owned, built, and wired by an electrical engineer. Just because you can design electrical circuits on paper and know fucking Ohms law doesn't mean you know jack shit about wire installation!! FFS (HA!) he had BARE electrical wires all over the place! No wire nuts, no electrical tape, nothing!!

Unfortunately Scott is correct, the only way hes ever going to shut up is if people would go public about how horrible his engine management solutions are and shut him down. It should also be made very public by people who've had engine failures that HIS systems were responsible for the failures, and wasn't caused by the End user. Ie, engine blowing up while FFS (Fucking Fat Shit, For Fuck Sake!!) is "tuning" the P-P-P-POWERCARD!!!! Since, according to someone on m.net, it takes an Aerospace Engineering degree to "tune" powercard.. You know, pressing the two little buttons in a specific sequence to make it flash like a Christmas Tree in November...

Edit: And why is it "Fast Forward" superchargers?? Is that like, Fast Forward to the destruction of your car?? Hmmmm..... :crx:

spike 01-31-2008 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by elesjuan (Post 207552)

Unfortunately Scott is correct, the only way hes ever going to shut up is if people would go public about how horrible his engine management solutions are and shut him down. It should also be made very public by people who've had engine failures that HIS systems were responsible for the failures, and wasn't caused by the End user. Ie, engine blowing up while FFS (Fucking Fat Shit, For Fuck Sake!!) is "tuning" the P-P-P-POWERCARD!!!! Since, according to someone on m.net, it takes an Aerospace Engineering degree to "tune" powercard.. You know, pressing the two little buttons in a specific sequence to make it flash like a Christmas Tree in November...

Edit: And why is it "Fast Forward" superchargers?? Is that like, Fast Forward to the destruction of your car?? Hmmmm..... :crx:

I always enjoy your FFS(Fucking Fat Shit,For Fuck Sake!!)posts,they are sooo entertaining.:bigtu:

Braineack 01-31-2008 06:52 PM

Be aware, however, that on this website, we will not tolerate such libelous shenanigans. I intend to hold this site and these forums to a much higher standard.

spike 01-31-2008 06:57 PM

^Brain,tell me your joking?

elesjuan 01-31-2008 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 207560)
Be aware, however, that on this website, we will not tolerate such libelous shenanigans. I intend to hold this site and these forums to a much higher standard.

I am aware that MT.net won't tolerate Libelous shenanigans... Which is why these threads don't get locked or deleted. :cool:

miataz 01-31-2008 07:48 PM

haha obv hes making fun of m.net

Pitlab77 01-31-2008 08:05 PM

i always wanted to know where that photo came from

UrbanSoot 01-31-2008 08:09 PM

yeah, i was rolling under my table when i first saw that photo about a year ago

UrbanSoot 06-15-2008 02:06 AM

man... i just showed these photos to my girl and she almost fell from laughing so hard :)

Savington 06-15-2008 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UrbanSoot (Post 271466)
man... i just showed these photos to my girl and she almost fell from laughing so hard :)

You really felt the need to bump a 6-month old thread to tell us this?

Really?

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elesjuan 06-15-2008 05:44 AM

man.. Wow.. :bowrofl:

Markp 06-15-2008 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by savington (Post 271483)
you Really Felt The Need To Bump A 6-month Old Thread To Tell Us This?

Really?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3..._or_gtfo_2.jpg

+1

stinkonamonkey 06-15-2008 05:45 PM

I drove down to meet him a year and a half ago or so. I drove 3 of his cars. All of them drove extremely well.

I also agree that the E-Cool thing isn't great. I would not have used it, and do not trust it. His hardware design seems pretty good though. I suspect his hatred of standalones stems from his failure with one.

And I love the whole "An electrical engineer's house was shitty, therefore all electrical engineers are idiots" line of reasoning. Makes total sense.

Vashthestampede 06-15-2008 06:09 PM

Waste of a bump.....nobody cares...:bang:

Vash-

scandmx5 11-11-2010 07:07 PM

/dug from the ground

thought i'd throw in my .0146 €
Tom claims his glorious E-Cool coldside is still pulling hard in 6th gear with a 3.6 Rear

(yes i was actually looking into them until Rotornut told me about the bashing here)

Braineack 11-11-2010 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by scandmx5 (Post 656032)
/dug from the ground

thought i'd throw in my .0146 €
Tom claims his glorious E-Cool coldside is still pulling hard in 6th gear with a 3.6 Rear

(yes i was actually looking into them until Rotornut told me about the bashing here)


Tom also thinks Compression numbers with a 30psi varience between clyinders is fine if you are thinking about a FF kit.

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=399125

cliffs:


Originally Posted by Chris_F125 (Post 4844961)
Cylinders from back to front:
1 - 200
2 - 175
3 - 170
4 - 195
... I know the next test should be leakdown. Will this present a problem boosting with a FFS coldside?

Then I suggest they aren't good numbers and he should wet test. calls me a troll.


Originally Posted by Chris_F125 (Post 4855440)
Because his advice contradicts feedback I have gotten from Fast Forward and other forum members, who say there is nothing to indicate a problem at this point. He is just trolling. As are you. No one has suggested there is "a problem" if all cylinders are not within 5% on a simple/inaccurate compression test.

so then I pwn.


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 4855595)
That's because the yo-yo master still wants to sell you his product, so he'll say whatever he can to keep the sale. Then once the motor blows he'll blame it on a bad tank of gas... <---now that's good trolling.

The factory service manual suggests a maximum difference between each cylinder of 28psi.

Your first test indicated a 30psi difference, and your second test was border-line at 27psi.

You have a large variance between your high and low number...a simple wet test and/or leakdown test would help determine if everything was kosher or not. I mean, you're the one who asked why there was "such a divergence"


Also, could you explain this:



I'm not quite sure what you did here or why? Are you saying you only unscrewed one spark plug at a time and simply let the coil spark to ground? Did you even disconnect the fuel injectors and go WOT during the test? This could all just be user error at this point.

But I'm a troll, you shouldn't answer me. You should just listen to what you want to hear.


jacob300zx 11-11-2010 08:07 PM

I'm thinking about upgrading to a power card and e cool on my S2000. Does anybody have any thoughts on this?

Pitlab77 11-11-2010 08:42 PM

You need 3 pc cards not just 1.

r808 11-14-2010 05:18 PM

Since it's already been resurrected, Tom puts on a show of believing this:


Originally Posted by elesjuan (Post 207250)
. . . He thinks that the PowerCard is the best thing to grace a miata since a supercharger was used as a vacuum pump on a diesel. . .

Because he's trying to do this:

Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 656052)
That's because the yo-yo master still wants to sell you his product, so he'll say whatever he can to keep the sale. Then once the motor blows he'll blame it on a bad tank of gas... <---now that's good trolling.


That's it. He'd rather sell his product and use careful wording whenever the issue comes up. This is the last person on the the planet to trust for forced induction info.


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