Why don't I want a Subaru?
07-30-2014, 02:26 PM
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And your point?
The Miata will still need another $3-5k in supporting mods on top of the supercharger (it's still bone stock right now). A 250whp NC on the stock suspension and cooling system. lulz. Then there is the crummy stereo, etc etc etc.
I don't really want to have $20k+ tied up in a $10k car.
Everyone has different priorities.
The Miata will still need another $3-5k in supporting mods on top of the supercharger (it's still bone stock right now). A 250whp NC on the stock suspension and cooling system. lulz. Then there is the crummy stereo, etc etc etc.
I don't really want to have $20k+ tied up in a $10k car.
Everyone has different priorities.
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07-30-2014, 02:29 PM
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I always wanted a wrx/sti. Then I got one and it was cool and all for a little while. But I'm bored of the crappy ride and tank like handling and otherwise heavy feeling. The whole 26mpg on the highway thing is also shitty. Every time I drive it I keep thinking, "I could have bought a 4th gen f-body for the same money, made more power, got better gas mileage, had the same handling and not had ever flat brimmer and high schooler try to talk to me about my car."
And then you have me show you this comparison of buying new, with more or less the way I would order.
Subaru WRX | The New 2015 WRX
Looks like subarus sharing thing is messed up, its a base WRX with STi wheels, sti front and side lip kit, and the sti shifter.
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http://bp3.ford.com/2015-Ford-Mustang/MakeItYours/Config[%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2015%7C1%7C1%5E%7C100A%5EP8T%5 E%5EYZ%5E%5E883%5ECOU%5E67E%5E44X%5E~YZKAA%5EV6%5E LESS%5E]?fmccmp=sharethis&zipcode=01608&imagetoken=Image[|Ford|Mustang|2015|1|1^|100A^P8T^^YZ^^883^LTS^COU^ 67E^642^44X^V6^LESS^891^13D^53H^]&usecookiezip=true
And then you have me show you this comparison of buying new, with more or less the way I would order.
Subaru WRX | The New 2015 WRX
Looks like subarus sharing thing is messed up, its a base WRX with STi wheels, sti front and side lip kit, and the sti shifter.
vs
http://bp3.ford.com/2015-Ford-Mustang/MakeItYours/Config[%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2015%7C1%7C1%5E%7C100A%5EP8T%5 E%5EYZ%5E%5E883%5ECOU%5E67E%5E44X%5E~YZKAA%5EV6%5E LESS%5E]?fmccmp=sharethis&zipcode=01608&imagetoken=Image[|Ford|Mustang|2015|1|1^|100A^P8T^^YZ^^883^LTS^COU^ 67E^642^44X^V6^LESS^891^13D^53H^]&usecookiezip=true
I'd really like to try something different.
I'd buy an EVO X with DCT trans if there were a local dealer and be done. The Subaru engine reputation makes me a bit reticent.
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07-30-2014, 02:31 PM
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Lol whatever. Wasnt the real point of the post. It was more of. Optioned to my preference a new ecoboost mustang and a new wrx cost the same, and the mustang is better looking and lighter. The both fill his, car with boost that isnt fwd request. And the mustang will probably make more power "stage 2" and will be WAY easier to put an EFR on and get better gas mileage and handle better and look better.
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07-30-2014, 02:49 PM
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My point was really just that the logic was rediculous. You just want a new car. Which is fine. I just find it funny when people use the whole, "I can't see spending $x,xxx on a cheaper car so I'm just going to drop two or three times that amount on another car" argument. Just say I want something new and money isn't an issue. If it was a car that was having maintenance issues and nickel and diming you that would make sense.
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07-30-2014, 02:51 PM
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Lol whatever. Wasnt the real point of the post. It was more of. Optioned to my preference a new ecoboost mustang and a new wrx cost the same, and the mustang is better looking and lighter. The both fill his, car with boost that isnt fwd request. And the mustang will probably make more power "stage 2" and will be WAY easier to put an EFR on and get better gas mileage and handle better and look better.
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....don't Leafy up yet another thread please.
We're talking about real cars and mods here. There are a billion cars better than a billion other cars. A subaru is nowhere near the top of "best of" list, but this is not a hypothetical thread where we dream of different cars we've never even driven, and talk about mods not even out for them, and potential not even discovered yet.
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07-30-2014, 03:39 PM
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....don't Leafy up yet another thread please.
We're talking about real cars and mods here. There are a billion cars better than a billion other cars. A subaru is nowhere near the top of "best of" list, but this is not a hypothetical thread where we dream of different cars we've never even driven, and talk about mods not even out for them, and potential not even discovered yet.
We're talking about real cars and mods here. There are a billion cars better than a billion other cars. A subaru is nowhere near the top of "best of" list, but this is not a hypothetical thread where we dream of different cars we've never even driven, and talk about mods not even out for them, and potential not even discovered yet.
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07-30-2014, 05:22 PM
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My beef with EJs and probably the new F stuff is that I have never seen it do anything a modern aluminum block I-4 can't. And the I-4 does it with just 1 cylinder head and two cams and manifolds that don't look like a drunk metal sculptors attempt at spiders. If I am going to deal with all that crap I want a lot of displacement and the ability to make 500+ WHP without having to dick with 25+ psi tuning on pump. And I want actual top end power.
I would take a 4G63 over any EJ ever, and I bet I will say the same for a 4B11 or even K24 over the new F stuff.
I would take a 4G63 over any EJ ever, and I bet I will say the same for a 4B11 or even K24 over the new F stuff.
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07-30-2014, 06:00 PM
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My beef with EJs and probably the new F stuff is that I have never seen it do anything a modern aluminum block I-4 can't. And the I-4 does it with just 1 cylinder head and two cams and manifolds that don't look like a drunk metal sculptors attempt at spiders. If I am going to deal with all that crap I want a lot of displacement and the ability to make 500+ WHP without having to dick with 25+ psi tuning on pump. And I want actual top end power.
I would take a 4G63 over any EJ ever, and I bet I will say the same for a 4B11 or even K24 over the new F stuff.
I would take a 4G63 over any EJ ever, and I bet I will say the same for a 4B11 or even K24 over the new F stuff.
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07-30-2014, 07:27 PM
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correct: placement, packaging, and configuration is the name of the game.
Not power potential.
Not a whole lot of 4 cyl engines can touch the peak power potential of a 4G63 or K. But you don't see everyone and their mother driving them, and there's a reason for that. Again, I just want to be clear that we're all on the same page: a subaru is not the best at anything. But its good at a whole lot of things.
Not power potential.
Not a whole lot of 4 cyl engines can touch the peak power potential of a 4G63 or K. But you don't see everyone and their mother driving them, and there's a reason for that. Again, I just want to be clear that we're all on the same page: a subaru is not the best at anything. But its good at a whole lot of things.
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07-30-2014, 07:30 PM
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correct: placement, packaging, and configuration is the name of the game.
Not power potential.
Not a whole lot of 4 cyl engines can touch the peak power potential of a 4G63 or K. But you don't see everyone and their mother driving them, and there's a reason for that. Again, I just want to be clear that we're all on the same page: a subaru is not the best at anything. But its good at a whole lot of things.
Not power potential.
Not a whole lot of 4 cyl engines can touch the peak power potential of a 4G63 or K. But you don't see everyone and their mother driving them, and there's a reason for that. Again, I just want to be clear that we're all on the same page: a subaru is not the best at anything. But its good at a whole lot of things.
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07-30-2014, 07:41 PM
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My beef with EJs and probably the new F stuff is that I have never seen it do anything a modern aluminum block I-4 can't. And the I-4 does it with just 1 cylinder head and two cams and manifolds that don't look like a drunk metal sculptors attempt at spiders. If I am going to deal with all that crap I want a lot of displacement and the ability to make 500+ WHP without having to dick with 25+ psi tuning on pump. And I want actual top end power.
I would take a 4G63 over any EJ ever, and I bet I will say the same for a 4B11 or even K24 over the new F stuff.
I would take a 4G63 over any EJ ever, and I bet I will say the same for a 4B11 or even K24 over the new F stuff.
So I have to drive to either Dallas or KC just to buy one.
It's amazing to me that Springfield, a town of 150k has a Mitsu dealer, and a Tulsa a metro area of 1 million doesn't.
Well I mean, theres a reason you dont see that and its not because the engines arent good, its because they were all put in either crappy or expensive chassis. Subarus make much better daily drivers than Evos and they're a bunch cheaper too boot. If the k20/24 was put in a rwd chassis that was designed by honda circa 1986 engineers you'd see them all over the place.
The EVO X and STi both start right aronud $35k.
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07-30-2014, 07:49 PM
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The EVO X is a great car, when I said the evo was more expensive I was talking about the 4g63, which is in the older evos and those pull a premium over their subaru counterparts because mitsu sold a **** load less of them. The EVO X is a bunch more comfortable than the older ones. The lower spec but still turbo lancers are more comfortable, I forget which one it is, but its basically the EVO IX tranny and diffs with the new motor with a smaller turbo, that one was quite nice.
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07-30-2014, 07:49 PM
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drive an evoX around town and get back to me lol
I laughed hysterically the last time I drove one because of how painful it was. wost...daily...ever. in every sense of the word. and the one I drove we tuned to 330whp with bolt ons, wasn't even stock. no torque til 4500ish and when it finally comes on its so uneventful. aside from seats and wheel, interior was on par with dodge neon. and even the seats aren't comfy, just hold you down well.
Great track car though.
(and the X is an absolute pig at 3500lb)
I laughed hysterically the last time I drove one because of how painful it was. wost...daily...ever. in every sense of the word. and the one I drove we tuned to 330whp with bolt ons, wasn't even stock. no torque til 4500ish and when it finally comes on its so uneventful. aside from seats and wheel, interior was on par with dodge neon. and even the seats aren't comfy, just hold you down well.
Great track car though.
(and the X is an absolute pig at 3500lb)
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07-30-2014, 08:16 PM
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drive an evoX around town and get back to me lol
I laughed hysterically the last time I drove one because of how painful it was. wost...daily...ever. in every sense of the word. and the one I drove we tuned to 330whp with bolt ons, wasn't even stock. no torque til 4500ish and when it finally comes on its so uneventful. aside from seats and wheel, interior was on par with dodge neon. and even the seats aren't comfy, just hold you down well.
Great track car though.
(and the X is an absolute pig at 3500lb)
I laughed hysterically the last time I drove one because of how painful it was. wost...daily...ever. in every sense of the word. and the one I drove we tuned to 330whp with bolt ons, wasn't even stock. no torque til 4500ish and when it finally comes on its so uneventful. aside from seats and wheel, interior was on par with dodge neon. and even the seats aren't comfy, just hold you down well.
Great track car though.
(and the X is an absolute pig at 3500lb)
I'm just reading so much stuff about the #4 ringlands, reminds me of the #8 problems with the Coyotes.
I mean, the wife and I do alright and live somewhere cheap, but the thought of dropping $40k on a car that might blow up stock........that's disheartening.
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07-30-2014, 08:23 PM
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Which is the same problem as all 06 and new WRXs (and I forget the cutoff year for STi). They pretty much should be tuned as soon as you pull off the dealer lot, and I mean you'd want to do that anyways because almost every single car has super shitty programming for the electronic throttle.
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