Wow cops actually did somthing usefull :-)
 

So I woke up at 4:45am to my front doorbell being ringed like 20-30 times (bedroom is upstairs). This is the point where you're like WTF - grab 45 and chamber it (needless to say - safety off) and head downstairs. There's a slim tall window next to our door (we have blinds so it's mostly closed), take a look and what do I see but two cops.. So I safety the gun and put it out of sight and open the door. They inform me someone was trying to break into our yukon ('03 it's our tow vehicle) and a neighbor was out smoking a cig, saw the guy and called it in. They actually caught him in the act and had him in their cruiser.. :fawk: Busted. Not sure why the dude picked the Yukon and not the miata - he'd have a much better chance at getting into the miata w/o setting off the alarm (both cars are heavily alarmed w/bright alarm lights but if you were real careful you could cut the top and open it w/o setting it off). Not to mention way more goodies to rip from the miata.. dumbass. The Yukon has a 2x12" sub box but it's covered w/a dark blanket and is factory tinted.. So oddly I finally find myself not being the one screwed by the cops.. Still doesn't make up for all those tickets... :vash:

Haha. Pwned.


Thats good they caught the fucker, press charges 4sho. Hes lucky you didn't catch him and get his dumbass shot. :D Go go gadget police! Nice to see them doing their job for once!

eh... if only something like that could happen to that fucker who steals my shit...

It's been a couple of post talking about thiefs, and mostly guns and I wonder about something. Do you have the right to shoot someone (and kill him) when you get steal, in USA? I know you have the ligitimal defense right (in all states?) But when it's a thief situation, do you have the same right?

I'm someone that is non violent by nature and I don't know what I would do if I caught someone thiefing me ... Anyway, our law is so retarded here that if the thief hurt himself while thiefing you, like he miss a stair march and broke his leg. he can pursuit you... So dumb. I think I would broke his other leg ;)

Only in Texas. Texas' constitution has a line that says you may use deadly force in order to protect property. Not legal anywhere else in the country.

Texas <3

The law in NC doesn't allow to kill over property (Texas is the only one I know of) - it does allow for defense situations and I had no idea what I was going to find at my door. If the car alarm had been going off and I saw them from the bedroom window they'd be painted with my AR-15 and I'd drop a few rounds in the guys vicinity but let them go. I'm sure they'd shit themself on the other end of that. Even in that scenario I'd get a fine for firing within city limits assuming someone knew where it came from. And yeah if they break in your house here they can sue if they make it out hurt - both MP and ex-Opps military friends have told me to shoot to kill. If you wound them even in a life threatening situation they can sue it's fucking rediculous. I'm not out to kill someone but if they come in my house violent they arn't comming back out..

Someone could hurt themself in the act of breaking into your house and sue you.. The sad part is they'd win too.

If you find someone in your house shoot to kill and let the police sort it out. You could always plant a kitchen knife in their hand, or maybe stab yourself with it then plant it. :bowrofl:

I look at it this way, if you break into someone elses house to steal their shit, you deserve to get shot down. That story a few months back in Texas was pure gold where the old man gunned down that illegal alien that was part of a huge house breaker ring. Far as I know he hasn't been charged with anything still.

More then likely, if it wasn't just a crackhead looking for valuables to resale, Yukons and SUVs are more desirable overseas and in Mexico. Thats where a majority of stolen luxury and suvs go to.

Anyone else think this thread was about coilpacks? :(

I love me some Texas. Top-down weather today too. Too bad the Miata isn't running yet.

Luckily Florida was kind enough to enable the "Castle" doctrine, so we don't have to run and hide in a corner like little pussies to put a slug in someones ass for breaking into our homes.

Now if we even feel the tiniest bit threatened, you sure as hell better be wearing kevlar.

I've got some black talons I've been saving for years to put into your ass...

-meaty

A couple of years ago, two kids were breaking into a car in my home town. The boyfriend of the girl who owned the car looked out and saw the kids in the car, grabbed his gun and shot them both. One of the kids died, the other was hurt badly. He is in jail for a long time now..

Wait a second... Whos in jail? The kid, or the shooter?

+1

If I went to jail for shooting someone robbing me, id take that shit to the surpreme court.

Here in Maryland, you are allowed to shoot when someone is "invading" your home...but it requires they be inside the house and not just on the property.

LOL, This is Texas justice: Home invasion robber is trying to break in the door of a elderly San Antonio woman's house. She puts 3 slugs through the door and kills the punk ass MF. End of Story. No charges, No Drama, Texas Justice.

Mark

Amen.
Stephanie

when i first moved to the states i couldnt believe it when someone told me that if a thief breaks into my house and gets hurt they can sue me, hell, i still cant believe it...

so if i use force to hold the intruder down until the cops show up and hurt him in the process of restraining him, should you not be able to justify that in any court?

if so then should you not be able to justify shooting and killing the offender arguing the fact that you felt threatend when he/she failed to cooperate and sit still and got violent and put up a fight? I fucking hate some of the laws...
we need someone like Zoro, to break the law because he is upkeeping peace and harmony for the citizens, just go from town to town killing gang members, rapists, child molestors, lawyers 9just kidding) etc.

About 10 years ago every single citizen of Texas had this exact idea at the same time. :cool:

very nice, florida law is if someone's even on your property you can shoot first ask later, as long as you feel "threatened" ;)

If i remember correctly, you are only allowed to use equal force. for instance, if they have a gun to you but have yet to fire and you kill them first, youre the one thats going to jail.

retarded, and i never understood that. although i havent brushed up on criminal justice in a while so i may be speaking out my ass :)

thats stupid, made to protect the criminal or what? i wonder what lawyer had this great idea, im sure a dead/wounded criminal didnt come up with this...any insight of when it became illegal to protect your property? someone saw they could make money off this and sued a good ole homeowner when shooting some grimey motherfucker who was trying to rob him in his own house, this shit gets my blood boiling...

After you have retreated to the furthest extent possible. It's called the "reasonable duty to retreat". The bill that would have enacted the castle doctrine was voted down, unfortunately.

The NRA released a study showing every shot fired in self defense costs an average of $50,000. :eek5:


Kind of scary to think I could rack up a $1.5m legal bill before reloading. The stash next to the bed would cost a cool $9m. :giggle:

In VT the "dooryard" can be considered part of your house, last time I just dragged the perp inside to make sure it was legal.

hmmm sometimes im glad to live in california, and at times i wish i was in texas...


drag person inside property limits, unload, call 911, go have coffee and ice cream with the kids...

See I think i need some court cases to show mt that this has actually happened.

There was a case about 10 years ago; a bar owner was sick of people breaking in and electrified a window that they were always breaking into. (about 10 feet off the ground for the sake of conversation). Well some dumbfuck tried to rob the place jumped up and got killed by the electrical gate. I know he was sued.

But i have never heard of someone getting injured from breaking into someones house and sueing.

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

And your Signature is "Thanks." :)

Interesting Read for everyone, it summarizes the various laws and legal aspects of "Castle Laws":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_law

To sum it up for the click lazy:
"A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal concept derived from English Common Law, which designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her "castle"), and/or any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. In a legal context, therefore, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homicide under the Castle Doctrine.

Castle Doctrines are legislated by state, and not all states in the US have a Castle Doctrine"

The best thing the Castle Law did for TX is to limit civil liability:
"In addition to providing a valid defense in criminal law, many versions of the Castle Doctrine, particularly those with a "Stand-Your-Ground clause", also have a clause which provides immunity from any lawsuit filed on behalf of the assailant for damages/injury resulting from the shootings. Without this clause, it is possible for an assailant to sue for medical bills, disability, and pain and suffering as a result of the injuries inflicted by the shooter, or for their next-of-kin to sue for wrongful death in the case of a shooting fatality. Even if successfully refuted, the defendant (the homeowner/shooter) must often pay thousands of dollars in legal costs as a result of such lawsuits, and thus without immunity, such civil action could be used for revenge against a shooter acting lawfully.

The only exceptions to this civil immunity are generally situations of excessive force, where the shooter fired on a subdued, cooperative or disabled assailant. A situation meeting this exception generally invalidates the criminal "castle defense" as well."

And apparently the Castle Law has been working for Florida Citizens (tourist are more frequently targeted now; gurantee of no gun):
"In 2005, there were 762,859 violent crimes compared to 638,256 estimated for 2007 as reported in the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Uniform Crime Reports. This decrease is in spite of an increase in the population."

TX also made it easier to protect yourself while traveling/in your car:
"Texas also signed HB1815 a new bill that allows any Texas resident to carry a concealed handgun without a permit in the resident's car. Now, it simply isn’t an offense to carry a gun in a vehicle, but with these three critical qualifiers: (1) the gun must be concealed; (2) the carrier cannot be involved in criminal activities; (3) the carrier cannot be a member of a criminal gang. The fourth rule isn’t mentioned in the bill, but stands from laws on the books for a long time, and that is that no felon can carry or even be around a gun."

But no state in the Union can touch Vermont on gun freedom, they have no state gun laws.

This obviously wouldn't apply for theft of your vehicle in your driveway, but if they broke in the garage that might be considered Burglary and constitute standing your ground.

Either way glad to hear they caught the thief.

Chris

In Mexico and other countries they put broken glass in the concrete on top of walls, it showed it on the last Borne movie too.

We can't do that hear b/c the criminal would get hurt. :vash:

Chris