Yet Another Gun Thread
06-03-2012, 06:27 PM
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Damn. .32 didn't make it through a winter coat? Guess I'm gonna need to upgrade to a S&W 500 or just open carry my AR 
. Well I know most shootouts happen within like 15 feet or something so accuracy isn't usually an issue (for the hardware at least), but I thought it would be nice to have something I can really reach out with if I wanted to pick off a coyote or something. Also, I have a pretty small frame so I'm pretty much stuck to single stack mags which means less carrying capacity. To solve that I just carry a spare mag in an old Leatherman case on my belt, but that's kind of annoying sometimes. I thought about getting a full size 9 or .40 for winter when I have a big coat and can conceal better, but I always have to take it off at some point. Maybe I'll just start wearing a suit...or carry a purse 
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. Well I know most shootouts happen within like 15 feet or something so accuracy isn't usually an issue (for the hardware at least), but I thought it would be nice to have something I can really reach out with if I wanted to pick off a coyote or something. Also, I have a pretty small frame so I'm pretty much stuck to single stack mags which means less carrying capacity. To solve that I just carry a spare mag in an old Leatherman case on my belt, but that's kind of annoying sometimes. I thought about getting a full size 9 or .40 for winter when I have a big coat and can conceal better, but I always have to take it off at some point. Maybe I'll just start wearing a suit...or carry a purse .
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06-03-2012, 06:34 PM
#2085
Damn. .32 didn't make it through a winter coat? Guess I'm gonna need to upgrade to a S&W 500 or just open carry my AR . Well I know most shootouts happen within like 15 feet or something so accuracy isn't usually an issue (for the hardware at least), but I thought it would be nice to have something I can really reach out with if I wanted to pick off a coyote or something. Also, I have a pretty small frame so I'm pretty much stuck to single stack mags which means less carrying capacity. To solve that I just carry a spare mag in an old Leatherman case on my belt, but that's kind of annoying sometimes. I thought about getting a full size 9 or .40 for winter when I have a big coat and can conceal better, but I always have to take it off at some point. Maybe I'll just start wearing a suit...or carry a purse .
. Well I know most shootouts happen within like 15 feet or something so accuracy isn't usually an issue (for the hardware at least), but I thought it would be nice to have something I can really reach out with if I wanted to pick off a coyote or something. Also, I have a pretty small frame so I'm pretty much stuck to single stack mags which means less carrying capacity. To solve that I just carry a spare mag in an old Leatherman case on my belt, but that's kind of annoying sometimes. I thought about getting a full size 9 or .40 for winter when I have a big coat and can conceal better, but I always have to take it off at some point. Maybe I'll just start wearing a suit...or carry a purse .I'm continually surprised at how many people carry more than one magazine.
BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY, AMIRITE????????????
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06-03-2012, 06:54 PM
#2087
yes but the police are generally awful shots
also, are you a cop? do you expect to be in a situation where you are legally able to discharge, say, more than 3 rounds? if you don't think you'd be able to eliminate any threat you may feel on your life with even a single round, then you may want to reconsider carrying a firearm.
any smart litigator could paint you as a maniacal vigilante if you're toting more than one magazine.
also, are you a cop? do you expect to be in a situation where you are legally able to discharge, say, more than 3 rounds? if you don't think you'd be able to eliminate any threat you may feel on your life with even a single round, then you may want to reconsider carrying a firearm.
any smart litigator could paint you as a maniacal vigilante if you're toting more than one magazine.
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06-04-2012, 09:23 AM
#2093
The "what's the smallest round you would carry" question is more common than "Ford or Chevy".
We all know bottom line is shot placement. Yup, you can take a couple .45's to the chest and walk away fine... or a .25 to the leg and bleed out your femoral in a few minutes.
A guy who takes 3x .357's the chest and still swings a bat at you means you get to shoot him at least 2 more times. It's also falls into the category of "if I'm going to plan for scenarios this far off the curve, I should consider never leaving my bed again."
When you do all the homework on Caliber/Capacity/Brand/Type/Ammo/CarryMethod/Penetration/Expansion/Placement/etc... what you come down to is simply playing the odds.
The odds are if you ever have to draw and fire, it will be against a single perp. If you want to play the odds even further, it will be in low'ish light, he will have a weapon of some kind, and it will be at extremely close (if not point-blank) range.
The next variable is simply what you're willing to put up with carrying. If your ideal carry weapon is small, then a 5-shot .357 snub with a grip-laser is the ultimate CCW.
If you want more ammo, then a single-stack 9mm.
If you can go with a larger gun, then a Glock 30.
If you can go larger, then a Glock 23.
This is open for debate, but the odds are that if you ever have to fire, it will be against one dude, at night, he won't be carrying a gun, he will be within arms reach, and you will fire one, maybe 2 shots. A .357 snub with a Crimson Trace grip can't be beat if you play the odds.
We all know bottom line is shot placement. Yup, you can take a couple .45's to the chest and walk away fine... or a .25 to the leg and bleed out your femoral in a few minutes.
A guy who takes 3x .357's the chest and still swings a bat at you means you get to shoot him at least 2 more times. It's also falls into the category of "if I'm going to plan for scenarios this far off the curve, I should consider never leaving my bed again."
When you do all the homework on Caliber/Capacity/Brand/Type/Ammo/CarryMethod/Penetration/Expansion/Placement/etc... what you come down to is simply playing the odds.
The odds are if you ever have to draw and fire, it will be against a single perp. If you want to play the odds even further, it will be in low'ish light, he will have a weapon of some kind, and it will be at extremely close (if not point-blank) range.
The next variable is simply what you're willing to put up with carrying. If your ideal carry weapon is small, then a 5-shot .357 snub with a grip-laser is the ultimate CCW.
If you want more ammo, then a single-stack 9mm.
If you can go with a larger gun, then a Glock 30.
If you can go larger, then a Glock 23.
This is open for debate, but the odds are that if you ever have to fire, it will be against one dude, at night, he won't be carrying a gun, he will be within arms reach, and you will fire one, maybe 2 shots. A .357 snub with a Crimson Trace grip can't be beat if you play the odds.
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06-04-2012, 09:56 AM
#2094
Absolute minimum I'd use? .22 Magnum, but I'd choose something else. My normal carry rotates between a S&W .38 snub (w/ one speed strip), a Kahr CM9 (w/ one extra mag), and a Kahr P45 (w/ one extra mag).
Also have a full size 9mm pistol and a Ruger SP101 .357 but I never carry those.
Also have a full size 9mm pistol and a Ruger SP101 .357 but I never carry those.
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06-04-2012, 04:49 PM
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My digital shipping scale is broken, my digital bathroom scale won't measure down this low, so here's my sunbeam bathroom scale:
About 7.25 pounds loaded. Fully loaded steel magazine is something like 1.25 pounds, give or take an oz here or there.
Absolute minimum I'd use? .22 Magnum, but I'd choose something else. My normal carry rotates between a S&W .38 snub (w/ one speed strip), a Kahr CM9 (w/ one extra mag), and a Kahr P45 (w/ one extra mag).
Also have a full size 9mm pistol and a Ruger SP101 .357 but I never carry those.
Also have a full size 9mm pistol and a Ruger SP101 .357 but I never carry those.
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06-05-2012, 10:03 PM
#2098
Bought a M&P Shield 9 a few weeks ago. Ran 150 rounds through it last week, no failures. Can't get my pinky on the grip with the 7 round mag, but still feels fine, very little recoil, cycles great.
Pistol started to feel kind of slippery after 75+ rounds and once my hand started to get sweaty, was hot at the indoor range. May put some grip tape, or get it stippled if it bothers me in the future.
Pistol started to feel kind of slippery after 75+ rounds and once my hand started to get sweaty, was hot at the indoor range. May put some grip tape, or get it stippled if it bothers me in the future.
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06-05-2012, 10:33 PM
#2099
The "what's the smallest round you would carry" question is more common than "Ford or Chevy".
We all know bottom line is shot placement. Yup, you can take a couple .45's to the chest and walk away fine... or a .25 to the leg and bleed out your femoral in a few minutes.
A guy who takes 3x .357's the chest and still swings a bat at you means you get to shoot him at least 2 more times. It's also falls into the category of "if I'm going to plan for scenarios this far off the curve, I should consider never leaving my bed again."
When you do all the homework on Caliber/Capacity/Brand/Type/Ammo/CarryMethod/Penetration/Expansion/Placement/etc... what you come down to is simply playing the odds.
The odds are if you ever have to draw and fire, it will be against a single perp. If you want to play the odds even further, it will be in low'ish light, he will have a weapon of some kind, and it will be at extremely close (if not point-blank) range.
The next variable is simply what you're willing to put up with carrying. If your ideal carry weapon is small, then a 5-shot .357 snub with a grip-laser is the ultimate CCW.
If you want more ammo, then a single-stack 9mm.
If you can go with a larger gun, then a Glock 30.
If you can go larger, then a Glock 23.
This is open for debate, but the odds are that if you ever have to fire, it will be against one dude, at night, he won't be carrying a gun, he will be within arms reach, and you will fire one, maybe 2 shots. A .357 snub with a Crimson Trace grip can't be beat if you play the odds.
We all know bottom line is shot placement. Yup, you can take a couple .45's to the chest and walk away fine... or a .25 to the leg and bleed out your femoral in a few minutes.
A guy who takes 3x .357's the chest and still swings a bat at you means you get to shoot him at least 2 more times. It's also falls into the category of "if I'm going to plan for scenarios this far off the curve, I should consider never leaving my bed again."
When you do all the homework on Caliber/Capacity/Brand/Type/Ammo/CarryMethod/Penetration/Expansion/Placement/etc... what you come down to is simply playing the odds.
The odds are if you ever have to draw and fire, it will be against a single perp. If you want to play the odds even further, it will be in low'ish light, he will have a weapon of some kind, and it will be at extremely close (if not point-blank) range.
The next variable is simply what you're willing to put up with carrying. If your ideal carry weapon is small, then a 5-shot .357 snub with a grip-laser is the ultimate CCW.
If you want more ammo, then a single-stack 9mm.
If you can go with a larger gun, then a Glock 30.
If you can go larger, then a Glock 23.
This is open for debate, but the odds are that if you ever have to fire, it will be against one dude, at night, he won't be carrying a gun, he will be within arms reach, and you will fire one, maybe 2 shots. A .357 snub with a Crimson Trace grip can't be beat if you play the odds.
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