AutoX on Xida/225 rs3
 

Car has

Full boltons
Xida Clubsports 700/450
Rb sway
15x9 225rs3

The run was FTD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4br9Uk_b5c

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Damn you. I want Xidas

I thought you had to run 350/200lb springs to win in Auto-X? :giggle:

with koni sports.

$1800 suspension to run ~ 60 sec around a parking lot 4 time over a weekend... autox makes no sense

Building a car for autox . . . Maybe, Going to autox. . . NO

Yeah its next to no seat time, but there is an event damn near every weekend. . . usually closer to your house. . . and for 1/10th of the price (at least around here where track days at LRP run $400)

I still plan on going to autox even after my car is more track friendly .

Let's see you do it.

Not that I totally disagree with you. The amount of drive time at an autox is pretty friken low, and the dollar to driving time, isn't anywhere near as good as a track day.

But it isn't totally worthless. Besides being cheap, they are frequent and local. SCCA's magazine "SPORTSCAR" had an article in this months issue on pro drivers who still autox. Some good skills can be learned, that translate well into higher levels of driving. Especially for newer drivers who would rather find their, and their cars limits at 40mph, instead of 80.

I bet you knew this already though. So I'll be on my way.;)

I have plenty of track miles im my old subaru wrx sti. Seeing how I had to sell my car to afford aviation school, I'm lucky to be able to afford the mods I have. Sadly, a roll bar, seats, harness, fire entinguisher, track pads, track fees, and consumables are not in the budget untill im done school. Untill then 35$ lunch included, and minimal wear and tear fits the bill.

Yeah. It's quite humbling.

After some years spent autocrossing with track days off the schedule for me…I did a track day driving at 7 tenths. Passing car after car of the regulars getting all twitchie and overloaded. Not everyone of course, there were plenty with a clue. Autocross requires car control skills. Track days often don't require as much despite the much higher speeds.

If a non boosted Miata on Street tires set FTD either A) Those shocks are f&#king amazing or B) Nobody else showed up :)

I'm hopping for option A because my set is set to ship next week......FINALLY.

If you can autocross well…you'll kick butt open tracking against nearly all of the trackies in similar cars.

If you can track well, you may not do nearly as well at autocross. It can be pretty humbling. As in not being a couple tenths off the pace. Not being a couple seconds off the pace. Not being…

It's all good. There are lots of ways to have fun on four wheels.

On getting a bit over the edge…you do this often in autocross since only your ego can be hurt for the most part. Most folks hold back more than they realize on the open track. Not all of course, but tons.

did it, hated it, never going back unless it's on someone else tires.

You didn't get your butt kicked did you?

they actuarially called the day, a wind storm showed up and ripped the roof off a hander and deposited it on the autox.

i ran 4 laps and thought it was ok, went to hallett a week later and came in my pants so much then did the math. autox, $40 for 4 - 8 laps vs $95-150 for hour to hour in a half with the same tire ware. fuel was only a extra tank for track days.

There's a $15 autocross nearby my house. That's the price for nonmembers.

Tire ware over 1.5 hours of tracking is far greater then 4-8 auto-x runs. Far more gas, far more brake wear, far more wear and tear on everyother component. I love track days but the initial price for registration, vs the price of everything needed to complete the full day are far greater then you make them seem.

the 1/2 places they run in texas eat tires worse then then a track day and there is more car/part ware and gas to buy for a track day but it's still way keep per min / per lap.

local guy on club sports and RS3. It is amazing his car is up there with the turbo miatas that are worked over, and running Hoosiers A6's on 15x9 wheels.

You cant pass zo6's and GT3s on an auto cross coarse. Or do 100+mph drifts. See old video in my sig

I just have to think those "worked over" turbo cars were either WAYYYY under prepped or driven by total newbs. At the Atlanta tour a few weeks ago the fastest street tired Miata (STS) ran a 40.603 on day one and a 38.763 on day 2. While a CSP Miata on Hoosiers went 38.804 and 36.421. You add some form of FI to Darby's CSP car and it's not going to slow down.

No doubt minutes/cash is cheaper. But regardless I can't afford it ATMO. Next year if I stay local find a job here, I will have the cash to track the car and eventually forced induction.

This guy has been driving for ages. He stepped down from a lotus to run a miata. I know what i'm talking about.


Also they guy driving my friends car, who set FTD, is a national caliber driver, instructor at atuox, and road courses, and a miata owner. He is the kind of driver that will take an FTD car jump in and improve FTD by 3~4 seconds.

Also the birkems and sevens were having issues that day.
Friends car in white

I never said you didn't know what you were talking about. I just said the Turbo cars on Hoosiers that were getting raw timed by the NA car on street tires either can't drive or their car's aren't prepped. And you haven't said anything that makes me change my mind.

You guys are all really getting far too butthurt about this FTD. It was a local event, not a national, or provincial event. Alot of the front runners where not there. Regardless I just wanted to post the video for fun not to say "these coilovers and tires will make anything look slow."

The people that i did beat worth mentioning is a
EK hatch with a type r swap, gutted, coilovers, 170whp, 225 nt01's driven by a good friend, and former formula ford driver.

My arch Nemesis a s2000 on 245 R1R's and coilovers. The guy has been autoxing for many years and also a damn good driver.

So can we all calm down?

We can calm down when my AST's get here. I just hope they are 1/2 as awesome as I am hopping they are.

You can be ignorant. That is your prerogative.

Your good driving would definetly make me look slow. Awesome run.

8.5/10

I ran about 60-hours at Hallett before I starting auto-xing 2-years later.

+1 :giggle:

You must be mistaken, it ALWAYS occurs the other way 'round, and NEVER as you state.

I can't believe how controled the car was, that was a bumpy lot. Good job on the driving.

Who gives a shit?!


lets talk about the Xidas.


next comment about autox vs. track gets a slap.

The correct spelling is Anorexic, I chose to spell it Annorexic because the cars name is Angela, so I just cut it down to Ann for short.

Secondly if your mother is in fact dead marcy I am very sorry for my statement. Seems that even in the realm of miataturbo.net their are boundaries, and I crossed one.


And yes Brain i was starting to get pissed of cause the thread was really starting to stray off topic. Kinda like very turbo vs super argument in threads that have nothing to do with it.

Back on topic though, the temperatures have finally picked up here and my RS3's are finally gripping like they should. Car has gone from being pretty loose to gripping like its on rails. With the tires working well, the Xida's just felt even better. Mid corner the car just doesn't get upset by anything. Will have more feedback when i go to a double header autox next week.

Its a old military airfield with 3 intersecting runways.
Coarse will be high speed (45-80 MPH)
Surface is rough and bumpy

Should be a very good test for this setup and I will report back with video of how it behaves.

Glad to see the Xidas are working out for you as well as the RS3s. At the Mineral Wells Pro Solo I was doing much better on my Star Specs on my s2k than everyone else was on their RS3s due to the cooler temps. I wish there was an easy choice solution for the s2k as far as suspension is concerned. There are so many view points of Motons/Penskes/JRZs or Koni/Tein/KW V3s. Some think the $4k suspension is necessary for National level competition while others are taking podium finishes on revalved Konis Yellows. I don't know what to get...

AST just purchased Moton. I'd get AST's with their new valving.

Mind you who knows how long it will be untill moton parts make it into AST shocks, and even then AST stuff is hard to beat especially when they are valved and tested by AST with input from Emilio which knows a thing or two about miatas.

A multi-national champ friend went from Penskes to Konis and *gained* speed. They were revalved to get as close to the Penskes as the cheaper hardware allowed. And then in a big event with rain he prevailed. Since the Koni yellows have a much broader range of adjustment, he was able to soften them up more than his competitors on $$$ shocks could. In the wet that is a clear advantage. In the dry he didn't seem to have lost much time if any, however the ride quality sucked on the Ks compared to the Ps. Don't mean to denigrate KYs, they have much better dampers higher in their lineup.

What would have been even faster would be rain-valved Ps along with some buddies to help him quick-change when it started raining. Brand P tends to have a narrower but more precise and repeatable adjustment range. Not sure about the Xidas…how broad is their adjustment range? The Konis on the Z06 had around a 3 or 4:1 range.

OP, do you have a rear sway in place? I ask because it's a little bitty looser than my car is. I'm on 750/450 around revalved yellows. Could be the extra 50# front spring bias my car has. On a longer course (Tour/Pro) you may find more speed with less rear action. We did at the NJ Pro this past weekend.

Both AST and Moton bring different tech to the table from what I've heard/read. I think the Moton Club Sport line will go away because word of mouth says the CS stuff and Moton Motorsport stuff are worlds apart in terms of quality. You should talk to the AST boys or watch their facebook page to see what is going to change if anything at all. It's my interpretation that Xida's and AST 5000 in general are a no-compromise shock with the best technology available and no "tiered quality" in regards to valving; I think their tier lied in adjustability.

Free thoughts, talking out of my ass:
judging from the garbage on the market in terms of off-the-shelf cartridge shocks, I don't think AST was making a ton of cash on consumer-line shocks like what we buy because their quality level is so high and hand assembly (if competitors could, they would). I have a vision of Tein, Bilstein, Tokico, and other mass-produced shocks at a factory where machines handle the assembly and those fancy height/pre-load perches sold as a feature are actually a crutch for universal cartridge fitment. I know the guys at AST-USA build and assemble shocks by hand and all that labor has to cut into profit margin.

My guess, if I were running this company which I'm not, is that AST quality and hand craftsmanship will remain the same, but take a larger market share of the low-budget consumer line pockets and hire more employees to churn out more shocks while the shocks will remain unchanged (hire me, please). I would then combine any superior technology in the $$$blangblang$$$ racecar shocks including that fancy digressive high-speed rebound valve for the motorsports shocks, keep the prices the same while increasing quality, and take a huge chunk out of the market share in racing and call it "Moton, by AST".

The coolest part of this whole deal is watching a small business that provides awesome quality shocks, substantially cheaper than Motor/JRZ/Penske/Aragosta for club racers like ourselves, grow up into a big company.

A little more info: http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7945

no wonder your epic fail @ the track :loser:

That was fast. Nice run!