Twodoor

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It is rare for me to feel true rage when viewing an internet video. Is it possible to prosecute for attempted murder in a case like this? That ******** deliberately rammed a guy into a wall on a high speed section of track! He needs to be kneecapped and then put into a car crusher... if he can get out of the car and crawl to safety before being crushed.... can of gasoline and a match.

Keith

hornetball

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Here's an older vid from my home track that I ran across. The crash is at 11 minutes, but as you watch the driving, you know that a crash is inevitable.

Inexplicably, this is an instructor "demonstrating" to a student. Haven't a clue what he's trying to teach other than "don't drive like me." I timed one of his laps. He's friggin' slow -- which is what I would expect since he spends all his time scrubbing momentum with "fast hands." LOL.

Seriously, some of the worst driving I've ever seen and he's darn proud of it.

OGRacing

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watching his hands move that fast hurts my head lol.

sixshooter

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Yep, that's a dumbass.

Braineack

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when i race with myself i always lose.

good2go

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Oh come on guys, he said he was driving on "slickery" tires.

I like his comment at 10:38 that he MIGHT be overdriving a wee bit.

hornetball

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That guy is so full of it. Do you know what the OEM tires on an Elise are?

-Standard model, Yoko AD07s (180TW)
-Sport model, Yoko 048 R-Comps (60TW).

No "slickery" there, other than the guy's poor driving.

What ticks me off is that he was instructing. And look at the comments on his vid from the fanbois. He's teaching a lot of people terrible habits -- at my track no less. GRRRRRRRRR!!

I need to get over it.

concealer404

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That is incredible.

Erat

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As someone who is very ignorant and has never been on a track i gotta ask.

Is it general practice for the instructor to drive your car?
I can't see this being a practical way of learning anything if you're the student.

hornetball

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That's actually the instructor driving (and wrecking) his own car. The student is riding along and learning absolutely nothing of value.

I've attended events with the group this guy instructs for (I don't know if he is a current instructor, I've never met him). In that group the instructors do sometimes drive your car to show you lines or try to demonstrate techniques. I've had this with my silver car on two occasions.

The first time was at my second ever track day. Come to think of it, that instructor was rough, like this guy. And, sure enough, we spun off track. Fortunately, other than grass in a tire bead, my car was undamaged.

The second time was maybe my fourth track day (can't remember). My instructor that time was Adam Poland (current Pirelli World Challenge MX-5 pro driver). My recollection is that he was respectful of the car, fast and smooth as silk. I learned a ton that day. I still aspire to be that smooth.

So, there you go. YMMV.

hornetball

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Now I done did it!! I commented on the guys video. LOL. Let the games begin . . . .

And here's what Jefferson had to say for himself:

"You raise an important point, which I always cover with my students. Like you say, it is critical to be smooth, and people often misinterpret what that means. I find that a lot of people believe that "smooth" = "few inputs". Smoothness really refers to weight transfer and how the car is moving. Once the tires are working, smoothness can require a lot of input. You can see that visually in the video. My hands are moving quite fast, but the view outside the windshield never jerks around. That is because I am responding to the car's oversteer moments to keep the yaw angle and car's direction smooth. What you can't see in the video is that I am also constantly adjusting throttle pressure to keep the car's weight smoothly transferring from front to rear to adjust yaw. Those foot movements are much less pronounced because cars are much more sensitive to weight transfer than steering input when the tires are working hard."

Hmmmmmmm . . . . HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

EErockMiata

if that guy is an instructor then I'm Ayrton fuggin Senna.

Seriously that's really bad driving... especially with a student in the car.

Regarding instructors driving your car... I would say for the most part you should avoid this like the plague. There really isn't much that you can't describe with words or a track map. There is something that can be learned with a pro level driver driving your car very hard... that being said that's also a way for your day and car to end badly.

Dunning Kruger Affect

If he wasn't sawing at the wheel, he wouldn't have been able to catch all of the extreme slip angle, guys.

I did a gut check to make sure that I don't drive like that. Turns out I don't, and that I only do the toss-catch type motion while trying to figure out how to drive other people's cars at autocross.

concealer404

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I'm in on it too.

Dunning Kruger Affect

Pls judge how bad me and Fatcow are:


I'm on the right, he's on the left. Same car, same track, I weighed about 40lbs more than him.

cyotani

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I don't have the expertise to critique your driving but what App/software did you use to create that video overlay and was it easy to do? That's a pretty nifty for comparing driving lines.

hornetball

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I thought your hand motions were really good. ??

Agree on software. That comparo was cool.

Ryan_G

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This givese an idea. We need a critique my driving thread. The entire purpose of which would be to upload track videos and have people comment on areas for improvement. I imagine a lot of good technique and line discussion could come out of it.

If I had track videos to upload I would start it myself and volunteer as tribute.

Dustin1824

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This thread has made me laugh hard quite a few times, but after reading through this thread and seeing some of the total stupidity, I am IMMENSELY grateful and lucky to have only been on track with humble, safe, and smart drivers. It led to helpful, fun, and positive experiences, whether I was just riding along with Rick at MSR-C, or being instructed by Michael Glass at Hallett. That makes for an awesome time, a lot more than inflated egos, "fast hands", or a serious case of road rage.

It's basically a personal goal of mine to not end up on a thread like this.

Mobius

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Having never driven that track and only having seen it through videos, it's hard to judge, but his lines don't seem that good. Is that accurate? It looked to me like the Mustang he made fun of had much better lines than he did.