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Lotus Elise spins + Spec Miata = head on
source jacked from other forum ADDED http://www.racelabz.com/photos/lime/IMG_0559.jpg http://www.racelabz.com/photos/lime/IMG_0555.jpg David Brand in the Lotus spun in the right-hander going onto the no-name straight.....next through were a few Miatas that were nose to tail, the first went left and the second had no place to go - BAM - head on into the Lotus! The SM Miata of Ken Payson got catapulted into the air and did a complete flip coming to rest on its wheels. Richard Cullen said he had a front row seat when the car went airbourne. I came though a few seconds later and it was like a war zone...yellow flags waving, corner workers frantically running and waving their arms....then the red flag quickly displayed. They called the race with 6 laps left on the board in lieu of the accident. Both drivers were transported to medical and believe were taken to the local medical facility in Sharon, CT. Upon leaving the track we were told that the Lotus Driver David Brand was released with no major injuries (except to his wallet). As far as Ken Payson, I am not sure if he was released but indications are that he had suffered a broken neck or back (not a 100% confirmed report). Our prayers are with both drivers for a speed recovery. |
wow! how did it end up?
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ouch
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:eek: Holy shit are the drivers ok??
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added more info
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driver broke his neck...
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Shit that sucks, but it couldve been worse.
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Another Lotus wrecks while tryin to run with Miatas.
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Holy crap... HANS device could've saved his neck prolly...
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I believe that's what saved him...iirc he had a previous injury...there's a thread about it over a m.net and specmiata.com has more detailz.
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On a related note, check this EVO guy driving:
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 441826)
I believe that's what saved him...iirc he had a previous injury...there's a thread about it over a m.net and specmiata.com has more detailz.
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first three minutes is boring and painful, i guess brake checking around corners is fast now?
link: http://forum.specmiata.com/cgi-bin/u...ic/7/1549.html |
o u c hh uhhh
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Originally Posted by Spookyfish
(Post 441830)
On a related note, check this EVO guy driving
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+1^^ :asshole: 2:43 is priceless though.... I had a guy in a civic do that shit to me in the street cause I passing him on the turn.
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Koto, why did you link the same video again?
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 441858)
Koto, why did you link the same video again?
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Ouch.
http://img27.imagefra.me/img/img27/2...0m_325a42f.jpg Lotus Driver David Brand was released with no major injuries (except to his wallet). As far as Ken Payson, I am not sure if he was released but indications are that he had suffered a broken neck or back That just sucks. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 441877)
Much the same logic as when the drunk teenager walks away and the mother of three is killed, I suppose.
That just sucks. drunk drivers walk away because your reflexes are slowed so they don t have time to go "o shit" and get tensed up. same thing happens to people that fall asleep at the wheel. |
Damn, that was more violent than I expected. I bet that makes your blood run cold to see that next to you as you go past. Good to know both guys were OK (besides wallets being thinner).
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Im a noob here..... is there any insurance that covers accidents at the track as such??
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Originally Posted by jeff_man
(Post 441884)
it's science! all the force of impact on the lotus was converted into making it move backward. all the impact on the miata was to make it stop. miata driver takes a harder hit because of this.
Assume that both an SM and a Lotus weigh the same. The Lotus is stationary (with brakes not applied) and the Miata is travelling forward, colliding head-on with the Lotus. Assuming the collision to be perfectly inelastic, 50% of the Miata's kinetic energy is transferred into the Lotus, causing it to accelerate backwards at a rate equal to the rate at which the Miata is decelerating. The forced imposed upon each driver are equal in both magnitude and direction. The problem here appears to be more the fact that the front end of an Elise is roughly ramp-shaped. If the Miata hadn't gone airborne, things probably would not have been nearly as rough. Just speculating, but I'd guess that Ken's injuries were probably compressive in nature, owing to the secondary impact between the car and the ground when it came back down. |
Originally Posted by buffon01
(Post 441891)
Im a noob here..... is there any insurance that covers accidents at the track as such??
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 441892)
I'd guess that Ken's injuries were probably compressive in nature, owing to the secondary impact between the car and the ground when it came back down
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 441892)
Shouldn't make a difference.
Assume that both an SM and a Lotus weigh the same. The Lotus is stationary (with brakes not applied) and the Miata is travelling forward, colliding head-on with the Lotus. Assuming the collision to be perfectly inelastic, 50% of the Miata's kinetic energy is transferred into the Lotus, causing it to accelerate backwards at a rate equal to the rate at which the Miata is decelerating. The forced imposed upon each driver are equal in both magnitude and direction. The problem here appears to be more the fact that the front end of an Elise is roughly ramp-shaped. If the Miata hadn't gone airborne, things probably would not have been nearly as rough. Just speculating, but I'd guess that Ken's injuries were probably compressive in nature, owing to the secondary impact between the car and the ground when it came back down. |
The initial force between the Lotus and the Miata are the same, end of story. If you would like to argue, sign up for PHY 2048 at a near by campus, wait till about 3/4 of the way through the class then show the professor the video, argue your point, and be wrong still.
Edit: I shivered when the impact happened in the video...nasty stuff. |
And we're going that fast on track days without nearly that level of protection and a wider range of skill levels. (or lack of skill)
Fuck. The landing was likely the worst of it. The fact the Miata launched over the Lotus actually diminished the impact for both drivers at initial contact. Would have been more energy transfer if the miata hadn't deflected upward. The Miata faired worse since all the unspent energy from the impact went into launching it. In pro racing the Evo would be protecting his line. In amatuer he's just asking for a beat down in the pits. I'm suprised they had such a wide speed differential with that Z running with the SM's. Also suprised the SM's don't try too hard to give the faster cars the line. Figured they would offer the courtesy to the faster class like the GT cars do for the P cars at Lemans. |
that was painful watching the z try to pass that evo lol
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shit... limerock. that corner is crazy to stand at and spectate cause cars loose traction over that crest.
That crash is ridiculous. |
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