hf-mx5t

oh. its very easy to make big bold claims from the other side of the pond. when it most likely will never be tested :P i call bs on the 6 minute miata

ealoken

i have been on the 24h race on the ring, and your time would have been top10 in the gt section, 6.30 is superbfast, i see your time sections based on a flat perfect course in the us.

The ring is not flat, perfect or like a race track, a lot of bumps, twisty turns etc.

i caal a toast on that bs.. bring the car over and do the lap!

NiklasFalk

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If they can get a 4wd Golf (better aero to start with though) up there a Miata might be able too (with unrestricted power, unrestricted aero and enough testing time).
But we are talking about getting FIA GT3 speed.

Theory is one thing, getting decent time on track is the thing that seems to be limiting.
A month or two on site in collaboration with local teams would make it a lot easier, ehm, less impossible.

ealoken

http://bridgetogantry.com/2/index.ph...&Itemid=300090

equals

"with unrestricted power, unrestricted aero and enough testing time"


a mx5 that matches a 599xx and so on, where to buy?

owenwilliams

That's the official vid for the Radical. Seemingly no edits, clearer data overlay.

Also, I agree with the point someone above made about the bumpiness of the 'ring compared to most US tracks. But after all that bitching about how a 6.30 can't be done, I'd still love to see what a road-legal Miata could achieve, and I'd be willing to donate to the charidee of 949 if an official donation scheme could be drawn up. Donating to Flyin Miata is just SO last year.



Finally, I know I keep going on about Radical….. but they're based 15 minutes down the road from me, so I am slightly biased towards the local side!

Laur3ns

If you want to donate to something that will happen in 2012, donate to Ton to get the RingMazda up to spec. Currently a new engine is going in, needs dyno tuning, gas, tires, brake pads and lots of testing.

Sandro

Hey Guys,

some words from a local hero... :-D

I am not fast, but still alive. I drive only safe BTGs around 9min, but i know the difference of 60seconds and more. To drive a 6.30 with an MX5, with BP engine and without a real local hero as driver, maybe like Adorf or Krumbach, is not possibel. I would agree if Emilio add a minute, but this would be also a high target.

http://www.sportauto-online.de/marke...g-3989220.html

Here you can see a E-Radical doing a 7.47 full round (7.27BTG). This Radical has 2,6KG/HP, 260kmh Top Speed and he drives 256kmh at Schwedenkreuz. I don´t believe that a MX5 could do 256kmh at this point. The hole track between Breitscheiderbrücke and Karussell is boring without torque. It is not noticeable on a ps2 or wii, but in real life you have enough time to call Christa and order a Eifler-Schnitzel at Restaurant zum Kleeblatt. The E-Radical has torque (~800NM), but how would you like to add this on a BP engine?

http://www.maximum5.de/magarchive/MAXIMUM5_Ausgabe3.pdf
Tons Setup is written down on Page 15 and 16.
We could discuss Tons Setup and help him to get the 8min BTG done, on a low budget. Maybe after that, it is helpfully to see how difficult it is, to get 7 seconds on this track.

Sure everything could be done, if a team is better than a Toyota F1 Team and the budget doesn´t matter.

I always try to think positiv and like Ton, i would help Emilio to reach his target. So if he needs some time on a dyno in germany, the IL Crew would be helpful.

1080

Interesting discussion!
I am living near the ring and i did a lot of rounds during the last 10 years but lapping the ring in 06:30 minutes with a miata is nearly impossible! But i would love to see someone will try it...

RpmClassics

Progress on the Ringmazda

Not much driving has been done in 2012, 10 laps in total during 7 visits for Touristenfahrt, no trackdays. It took longer then hoped for to get the car running. In September the first laps were driven and due to issues with several items (a.o. the 5-speed broke shifting from 4 to 5 on Kesselschen) prevented any time attack.

This year I could do my first 10 laps during a trackday on 4th of June with good weather, though with a little too much traffic (instruction driving with 4 slow cars side by side makes passing a gamble).

BtG 7.51,685 Best theoretical lap BtG 7.49,2
It should be noted that during Touristenfahrt this would have been about 1 seconds more because then you can't pass the startingpoint "Bridge" not as fast as during a trackday because at a trackday there is a more direct admittance to the track without the pillons.

I still have to shave of about 14 seconds to reach my target.
I think (and hope) the car can do it but if I am able to extract that speed from it that I am not so sure of

I learned from Laur3ns that Emillio has been driving on the Ring some weeks ago in a rental Swift and has his laptime now on approx. BtG8.45 which is not bad with that car. We are now waiting to see him there with his Miata. There are some trackdays ahead. Hopefully he lets us know in advance when he is coming again.

Laur3ns

Well done on the 7.50, next time you must have a camera onboard!
now man up, boost pressure to 20psi and run 7.30s ��

NiklasFalk

iTrader: (1)

Just some random data point
You apparently don't need a lot of power or aero to get close to 8.

Fast, friendly swede doing the driving.

RpmClassics

Modifications to the car are:
- Full exhaust and a CAI
- 225/45 16 Street legal, semi-slick tyres with medium compound.
- Coilovers with 10/7 Springs
- Stiffer ARB f/r
- Uprated Brake Pads, fluids and brake lines
- Bracing underneath the car
- ECU Reprogram
- Carbon fibre seat
- ~20kg lighter than last year.


Track routine and driving skill is all you need

German driver / with slicks

English driver / with slicks


So 7.52 with an extra 135 Hp and a little aero means that I'm just cruising, but somehow it feels fast to me when behind the wheel

Sentic

iTrader: (1)

So what happened with this, Emilio would you fill us in?

Congrats on the Swift time if that was you, not shabby at all!

Come on, first miata BTG <7.30!

Mythos

It's not -yet- under 8 min BTG but for sure it's my goal for 2014 so I hope my video can fit in this topic. This my last lap of 2013:


Some background info. I've been superlucky having the opportunity to move to Germany and live and work near the track this year. The road trip from Greece to Nurburgring and driving my first lap on THE track with my own miata was literally priceless. So I feel grateful being able to do just that regardless of lap times.

Unfortunately I did only a few laps this year(21 including this one) so I'm far from the great laps posted above and still learning my way around the track also trying to bond again with the car(which was in pieces the last 2 years). This lap is around 8:38 BTG in a quite cold day(damp patches in quite a few places that aren't clearly visible) and hitting traffic at the wrong spots killing completely a few sections. A clean lap alone could get the car closer to low 8s. If you include quite a few driving mistakes by me I can even hope for a sub 8 time.

Only real problem with my car is the gearing(and brakes). The combination of 5 speed, the stock 4,3 final gear and 13in wheels means the actuall top speed of the car is a tad lower than 200km/h. That means that there are more than a few sections I'm hitting the limiter in 5th and I have to stay there although the car clearly has power to pull more...

emilio700

iTrader: (3)

Too many other projects and too expensive. I underestimated the impact of the elevation changes on lbs/hp. Even fairly quick cars on normal tracks lose buckets of time due to the climbing. So a 6:30 would require a $150K plus stupid Miata. Possible but, who cares and more importantly, who pays for it?

Just the same, we have several Miatas in California that will circulate a race track much faster than a bone stock 2011 USDM spec GT-R. I think something like the cars we already have could get close to 7:00. Crusher (before I sold it) at 190whp, 2180 lb trim, full low drag aero with the 9" wide Hoosiers turned at 1.6g sustained, and had about a 155mph top end. Crusher, at a cost of about $70K, was built from scratch to win US national championships, which it did in sprint, time trial and 25hr endurance. Not to take anything away from some of the other Miatas postings BTG times but most of them are built on a tighter budget with a lot less R&D. In other words, not nearly as optimized. That some of the home built and much less developed cars are going under 8:00 indicates that much more is possible. A European built car built to the same standards could lower the BTG Miata record by.. a bunch. Crusher isn't nearly the fastest track Miata in California. Gordon's 400whp Rotrex powered car would be ah, just a wee bit faster yet.

So I know something like a 7:00, maybe under 7:00, is possible with 90-05 Miatas that already exist. I just don't know anyone willing to write the check to prove it

sixshooter

iTrader: (12)

Oh, the internet credibility, though!

Yeah, it's worthless but so much fun to watch on YouTube.

RpmClassics

Due to personal circumstances I had to sell the red Ringmazda some weeks ago so an improvement of the laptime at the Ring has to come from the new owner.The car, as I sold it, is capable of shaving of the last seconds but if and when the new owner will try it is unknown.

turbofan

iTrader: (1)

Aw what a bummer! Fun to watch the videos and read the discussion. Really enjoyed it.

emilio700

iTrader: (3)

+1

Thanks for inspiring the rest of us to dream about doing it too, and thanks for sharing. Good luck in future endeavors.

Sentic

iTrader: (1)

I just now saw your answer Emilio, almost 1.5 years later.
That is too bad. I guess we'll have to wait some time for the 7.30's now that the red ringmazda and you are both out of the picture.

Perhaps Serwanski will post a really quick time some day, he's fast enough.

But still, wondrous, scary track. If I can get into the <8.30 bracket in my miata some day I will be very happy.