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Looks good with the TT formalwear.
Hustler got beat by a couple cars that have no business being classed in TTB. |
Thanks for the pics. I really dreaded the vinyl but it looks pretty damn good. Thanks to everyone who came out.
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Not a problem.
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That's one clean ae86 - hopefully those aren't sportmaxxes.
Hustlers car sure sits pretty. -Zach |
Hey, great pics! Did you happen to get any of my S2000 on track?
I've actually drove that AE86 and it rips, another member of the bad a Corpus track crew. |
Originally Posted by thasac
(Post 684387)
That's one clean ae86 - hopefully those aren't sportmaxxes.
Hustlers car sure sits pretty. -Zach |
I literally spun 2 and went through 1 at 90mph backwards close to the wall and I still think 6 is the worst. Trail braking through a bumpy turn at 120 is a nightmare. I should have grown a pair and stayed flat out to see that extra 1 sec.
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 684556)
I literally spun 2 and went through 1 at 90mph backwards close to the wall and I still think 6 is the worst. Trail braking through a bumpy turn at 120 is a nightmare. I should have grown a pair and stayed flat out to see that extra 1 sec.
http://tarpblog.net/wp-content/uploa...h-trackmap.jpg Hooking it through the carousel in 4th at 90mph is AWESOME! Load the car up, keep it tight, try not to loop it on exit, feel manly. I was chomping down the TTA cars in there, even the GT3 with huge rubbers. I hit the 7200rpm rev limit in 5th a couple times in that corner, that's a Charmin moment. My fastest time of the day was in the DQ'd session, lol. I need to lighten my front left bad. I could loop the car with steering angle in the carousel, but fought the car in sugar& spice. It was really impressive to see those SM's haul mail through there. |
I like when they give you that, you just slapped my mom look for going 4 wheels off. I got DQ'd on session 2, then heard the old TT director and a few others mumbling about having to grid me up in the pack for the next TTsession even though I had DQ'd. Like my lap time was inferior, I'm just going flat out sucka's.
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look at all these locals crying about open passing:
http://www.trackjunkies.org/index.ph...ds-nasa-event/ |
Posted up my Conga line thoughts in the trackjunkies thread.
Between 16 and 15 the track goes off camber slightly and there are those outside rumble strips. When I was finally getting it right I was getting on the gas exiting 17 as soon as the car was settled and then letting the rear slide around when the track went off camber exiting 16, backing the rear tires onto those strips and setting it up perfectly for 15. I bet I was 1 sec faster through there when I let the car slide to set up better for 15. |
Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 684660)
Posted up my Conga line thoughts.
Between 16 and 15 the track goes off camber slightly and there are those outside rumble strips. When I was finally getting it right I was getting on the gas exiting 17 as soon as the car was settled and then letting the rear slide around when the track went off camber, backing the rear tires onto those strips and setting it up perfectly for 15. I bet I was 1 sec faster through there when I let the car slide to set up better for 15. |
Ok, sounds more like a crappy dif than driving error, I'll still side with you pussing out though and not the diff.
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This is how we get our handicap the next day.
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 684668)
Ok, sounds more like a crappy dif than driving error, I'll still side with you pussing out though and not the diff.
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lol @ how cool we are.
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Honestly, pushing hard through t6 doesn't make a big difference. I never once went flat out through there. Why? Because there's a tight turn followed immediately by another. T5 and t4. Most important corners are the ones leading directly to the longest straights.
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True, but Emilio would do it. lol
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Originally Posted by spoolin2bars
(Post 684716)
Honestly, pushing hard through t6 doesn't make a big difference. I never once went flat out through there. Why? Because there's a tight turn followed immediately by another. T5 and t4. Most important corners are the ones leading directly to the longest straights.
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I think I want to drive MSR Houston really, really badly after seeing that track map.
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Come lay down a time. I'm sure we can get you in on a members day.
Times are in. http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=624303 1 17 Joe Woodhead 1:38.090 1:43.691 1:42.778 1:40.736 1:38.090 2 2 Troy Talamantez 1:40.541 1:44.187 1:42.489 1:40.541 3 71 Chuck Cole 1:41.681 1:44.836 1:44.932 1:41.681 1:44.892 4 111 ken orgeron 1:44.049 1:44.049 1:44.807 1:44.677 1:48.314 5 41 Tim Ray 1:44.347 1:44.954 1:45.681 1:44.347 1:45.706 6 50 Bryan Harrison 1:44.502 1:48.496 1:44.502 1:44.594 1:45.067 7 13 Bradley Bollinger 1:44.562 2:00.860 1:49.289 1:44.562 1:45.182 8 405 Josh Hilts 1:45.399 1:46.769 1:45.399 1:45.755 1:45.778 9 76ss Kelly Kitchens 1:45.577 1:52.511 1:48.308 1:45.577 1:45.739 10 10 Kevin Bourque 1:46.400 1:46.400 11 440 Joshua Smith 1:46.598 1:48.220 1:46.598 1:47.774 12 0 Rich Soule 1:47.150 1:47.150 13 06 David Armstrong 1:47.533 1:47.533 1:48.916 1:49.647 14 7 Jose Bossolo 1:47.696 2:00.859 1:50.287 1:49.104 1:47.696 15 253 John D'Andrea 1:48.802 1:52.120 1:48.802 1:50.773 1:49.121 16 26 jose carreras 1:48.958 2:07.243 1:57.129 1:50.468 1:48.958 17 01 Allan Page 1:49.050 1:49.050 18 193 Terry Fair 1:49.999 1:58.907 1:51.199 1:50.503 1:49.999 19 735 Carter J White 1:50.712 1:51.643 1:52.151 1:50.712 20 07 Mitch Kramer 1:51.017 1:54.811 1:52.667 1:51.017 21 11 Kong Chang 1:51.075 2:06.904 1:56.763 1:51.987 1:51.075 22 723 Trey Rozelle 1:51.391 1:59.373 1:52.759 1:51.391 23 357 Jim Freker 1:52.434 1:55.300 1:53.746 1:52.434 24 361 Jacob Groves 1:52.658 1:57.828 2:01.868 1:52.658 25 86 joshua garcia 1:54.354 2:03.853 1:56.115 1:54.354 1:55.052 26 38 Josh Price 1:54.554 2:05.244 1:57.641 1:54.554 27 23 Jerry Paladino 1:59.294 2:13.490 2:03.085 1:59.294 2:00.312 28 25 Kevin Webb 1:59.341 1:59.341 29 07 William Groves 2:04.532 2:04.532 30 15 Xavier Anderson 2:06.757 2:12.843 2:06.757 31 420 Bert Withers Jr. --:--:--.--- |
Looks like the first 2 guys got magic lap times.
And yes, what Sav said. The course looks fun. Too bad it's out there in...you know...TX. |
looks like a fun time. Hope to join you guys next year.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 684842)
Nope. Most important corners are the ones that every goes too slow into. Lap times are not exit speed, they are entry speed.
Another person that might disagree with you is whoever came up with the addage "slow in-fast out". From all the data I've looked at from SCCA national champions and Grand-Am races exit speed seems to be king. |
Originally Posted by spoolin2bars
(Post 684716)
Honestly, pushing hard through t6 doesn't make a big difference. I never once went flat out through there. Why? Because there's a tight turn followed immediately by another. T5 and t4. Most important corners are the ones leading directly to the longest straights.
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 684849)
I think I want to drive MSR Houston really, really badly after seeing that track map.
Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
(Post 684896)
I think they are quite a few people that would disagree with you there, take for instance, Skip Barber. His experience is that most beginners gain the most time from exit speed, then mid-corner, then entry and finally by braking distance optimization.
Another person that might disagree with you is whoever came up with the addage "slow in-fast out". From all the data I've looked at from SCCA national champions and Grand-Am races exit speed seems to be king.
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 684842)
Nope. Most important corners are the ones that every goes too slow into. Lap times are not exit speed, they are entry speed.
We're going to have a battle when we run HHR, TWS, and Hallett. That's when the SM records will get some gap, I think we were all too green on this track in this direction. I plan to run 8-seconds under SM on my next trip to Hallett...and whip the shit out of the TT class. |
Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
(Post 684896)
I think they are quite a few people that would disagree with you there, take for instance, Skip Barber. His experience is that most beginners gain the most time from exit speed, then mid-corner, then entry and finally by braking distance optimization.
Another person that might disagree with you is whoever came up with the addage "slow in-fast out". From all the data I've looked at from SCCA national champions and Grand-Am races exit speed seems to be king. |
Originally Posted by rharris19
(Post 684907)
Think about how much faster you can brake than accelerate. I think all areas need to be honed well, but this is really the most important due to possible speed variances. "Slow in fast out" is a good saying, but there is such a thing as too slow, which is what was happening here. The end result speed may be the same coming into the corner, but you will just be using more braking.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 684849)
I think I want to drive MSR Houston really, really badly after seeing that track map.
I've run MSR twice for lemons and its a blast. I think what I like about it is you feel fast on the first few laps, but then as you learn more and find time you just get faster. I really want to take the miata out there for a track day soon. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 684905)
you can pick whichever part of the corner you want...if someone is doing any of the 3 faster than you, then the one you're deficient on is the most important.
I agree. I think it's a lot easier to exit fast than enter fast. I only posted because I didn't agree with Emilio's "Lap times are not exit speed, they are entry speed" comment. Sure if everyone has the same exit speed then that is true, most of the time that's not the case and it's been proven that every extra rev you can carry out of a corner is worth more than the same incremental increase in entry speed or braking speed. Obviously there is such thing as too slow in corner entry speed. Obviously the car can decelerate faster than accelerate. What I'm trying to get across is that if you have two comparable driver's in identical cars, the only difference being one driver's braking distance is 10 feet shorter and his entry speed is 2mph faster and the other driver's entry speed is 2mph slower but his exit speed is 2mph faster the driver with the higher exit speed most likely has the lower lap time. None of this may apply to Hustler at this track because maybe he was going 8-10mph too slow into a certain corner. But when you are talking about top level SM, the Runoffs or Grand AM then it's more applicable. |
Trey needs to drive faster.
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 684940)
Trey needs to drive faster.
:giggle: Don't ban me dood. |
Any chance that the suspension was too well set up for left cornering at the cost of right cornering? Sounds Like you were eating guys up in the left turns (keyhole group / carousel) but maybe not quite perfect on the right turns (turn 6 was scary, sugar and spice tore you apart)
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Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 684956)
Any chance that the suspension was too well set up for left cornering at the cost of right cornering? Sounds Like you were eating guys up in the left turns (keyhole group / carousel) but maybe not quite perfect on the right turns (turn 6 was scary, sugar and spice tore you apart)
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Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
(Post 684896)
I think they are quite a few people that would disagree with you there, take for instance, Skip Barber. His experience is that most beginners gain the most time from exit speed, then mid-corner, then entry and finally by braking distance optimization.
Another person that might disagree with you is whoever came up with the addage "slow in-fast out". From all the data I've looked at from SCCA national champions and Grand-Am races exit speed seems to be king. None of us are beginners so that does not apply. If you haven't figured out how to exit a turn and use all the track yet, I'd suggest a good driving school. Like Skippy perhaps. I can easily obtain maximum exit speed on a 7/10ths out lap while texting someone. Any halfway decent intermediate level driver can do it too. Threshold braking and having all four tires generating a 2-3° slip angle at turn in OTOH, is something that is quite a bit more difficult. That is the last frontier and what separates the merely good from the best. Too many intermediates, and a lot of advanced drivers quote the tired "Slow in-fast out" adage. Live by it to the point of avoiding early apexes like the pox. Doesn't make it any more true. Pretty sure your average Skippy instructor will beat by the greatest margins on corner entries, not corner exits. You have it backwards. The turns with long straights after are more likely to require a lower minimum entry speed before apex than a turn with no following. So to the point at hand. Going into a fast turn at 8/10ths because there is no straight afterwards is, where I pass you. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 685029)
Exactly
Too many intermediates, and a lot of advanced drivers quote the tired "Slow in-fast out" adage. Live by it to the point of avoiding early apexes like the pox. Doesn't make it any more true. I'm not sure what to do with #18 entry. The SM's are hauling ass by entering mid-track, the TT power hitters are entering on the inside curbing...both track out and hit 18 the same way. I'm a little confused, I wish this occured to me during the last session and tried a few different things to see what worked. I still want to see my anger/drift vids from the last session. |
This project blog gets me wanting to do more lapping and less drifting.
Im not sure which one is more expensive haha. Props dude! |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 685035)
maybe even a few trips through the gravel.
Emilio - obviously the fastest of the fast driver's go 10/10ths everywhere on the track all the time. I've shared cars with Michael Galati (best driver I can directly compare my data to) and shared the track with him in similar cars. The guy is flat out from the second he leaves the pit box. Through traffic he's 10/10ths, warm up laps he's 10/10ths, 1.5 hours into a driving stint with a broken car suffering from CO2 poisining in the pouring rain and he's 10/10ths. When looking at his data he's gaining most of the time on me in corner entry and braking. There's no denying that the last 0.5s of lap time to be had are found in those two areas, but the first 2s are from corner exit speed. I haven't met Hustler so maybe I'm assuming too much but I don't think he's quite to that level yet. All I've been trying to say is that in his situation (trying to learn a new track) he should be more concerned about learning the line and then nailing the exit speeds, then the mid-corner speeds, then entry-speeds, and then finally worrying about reducing his braking distances. I don't think he should be going out one of the first few days he's (or anyone for that matter) at a track and trying to go into every corner at the absolute max corner-entry speed. Your addage of "Lap times are not exit speed, they are entry speed" might make some noob (in no way am I suggesting the Huslter is a noob) concentrate too much on entry speed when he or she is completely blowing every other aspect of going round a corner. |
Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S
(Post 685060)
I haven't met Hustler so maybe I'm assuming too much but I don't think he's quite to that level yet. All I've been trying to say is that in his situation (trying to learn a new track) he should be more concerned about learning the line and then nailing the exit speeds, then the mid-corner speeds, then entry-speeds, and then finally worrying about reducing his braking distances. I don't think he should be going out one of the first few days he's (or anyone for that matter) at a track and trying to go into every corner at the absolute max corner-entry speed.
At the 3rd and 4th session of the day, I was looking for max entry speed on every corner; I wouldn't be that aggressive if I weren't comfortable doing so and if I weren't locked up on the exit. This is my 4th year of playing with track cars, over 100-hours...if I'm not throwing down a lap on my first day at a new track something is wrong. I'm not proud of my time, but I'm also not embarrassed. I'll hang my head a little higher at a track I've seen before. All those times that stomped me in TT, most have run that track before or own a membership, all of them showed-up for Friday practice. |
Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 684853)
Come lay down a time. I'm sure we can get you in on a members day.
Times are in. http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=624303 1 17 Joe Woodhead 1:38.090 1:43.691 1:42.778 1:40.736 1:38.090 2 2 Troy Talamantez 1:40.541 1:44.187 1:42.489 1:40.541 3 71 Chuck Cole 1:41.681 1:44.836 1:44.932 1:41.681 1:44.892 4 111 ken orgeron 1:44.049 1:44.049 1:44.807 1:44.677 1:48.314 5 41 Tim Ray 1:44.347 1:44.954 1:45.681 1:44.347 1:45.706 6 50 Bryan Harrison 1:44.502 1:48.496 1:44.502 1:44.594 1:45.067 7 13 Bradley Bollinger 1:44.562 2:00.860 1:49.289 1:44.562 1:45.182 8 405 Josh Hilts 1:45.399 1:46.769 1:45.399 1:45.755 1:45.778 9 76ss Kelly Kitchens 1:45.577 1:52.511 1:48.308 1:45.577 1:45.739 10 10 Kevin Bourque 1:46.400 1:46.400 11 440 Joshua Smith 1:46.598 1:48.220 1:46.598 1:47.774 12 0 Rich Soule 1:47.150 1:47.150 13 06 David Armstrong 1:47.533 1:47.533 1:48.916 1:49.647 14 7 Jose Bossolo 1:47.696 2:00.859 1:50.287 1:49.104 1:47.696 15 253 John D'Andrea 1:48.802 1:52.120 1:48.802 1:50.773 1:49.121 16 26 jose carreras 1:48.958 2:07.243 1:57.129 1:50.468 1:48.958 17 01 Allan Page 1:49.050 1:49.050 18 193 Terry Fair 1:49.999 1:58.907 1:51.199 1:50.503 1:49.999 19 735 Carter J White 1:50.712 1:51.643 1:52.151 1:50.712 20 07 Mitch Kramer 1:51.017 1:54.811 1:52.667 1:51.017 21 11 Kong Chang 1:51.075 2:06.904 1:56.763 1:51.987 1:51.075 22 723 Trey Rozelle 1:51.391 1:59.373 1:52.759 1:51.391 23 357 Jim Freker 1:52.434 1:55.300 1:53.746 1:52.434 24 361 Jacob Groves 1:52.658 1:57.828 2:01.868 1:52.658 25 86 joshua garcia 1:54.354 2:03.853 1:56.115 1:54.354 1:55.052 26 38 Josh Price 1:54.554 2:05.244 1:57.641 1:54.554 27 23 Jerry Paladino 1:59.294 2:13.490 2:03.085 1:59.294 2:00.312 28 25 Kevin Webb 1:59.341 1:59.341 29 07 William Groves 2:04.532 2:04.532 30 15 Xavier Anderson 2:06.757 2:12.843 2:06.757 31 420 Bert Withers Jr. --:--:--.--- |
Originally Posted by johnwag
(Post 685129)
That's a "TTB" car. what a load of bullshit.
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Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 685128)
I'm not proud of my time, but I'm also not embarrassed. I'll hang my head a little higher at a track I've seen before. All those times that stomped me in TT, most have run that track before or own a membership, all of them showed-up for Friday practice.
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Originally Posted by johnwag
(Post 685131)
one word: Hallett ;)
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I thought he had to run street tires to be in TTB? I saw him on Hoosiers at least twice...
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 685152)
I thought he had to run street tires to be in TTB? I saw him on Hoosiers at least twice...
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 685152)
I thought he had to run street tires to be in TTB? I saw him on Hoosiers at least twice...
He's going to be tough at msr-c, last year he won TTA and set TTA record. I'll need to find 2 seconds to catch up. His first time at Hallett he beat me by 1.5 (and it was not my first time either). Spanked TTA at ECR too. Got me by, oh seven or eight seconds. :facepalm: M3 seems to be the car to have in TT. I still get faster chasing him though. |
Originally Posted by sixace
(Post 685203)
M3 seems to be the car to have in TT. I still get faster chasing him though.
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