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DBXJ 10-26-2016 01:43 AM

Hello from Reno NV
 
My names David have a few friends in town that said to check out the site about my turbo needs I have a 97 NA that other than brakes, roll bar, and a few other odds and ends its bone stock original owner took really good care of it and I just made it a little better, also have a 88 TII Rx7 that's been a 5 year money pit

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...beeca15191.jpgDay i bought it

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cc23e60efa.jpgmost important thing when you drive a beer can

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sixshooter 10-26-2016 01:30 PM

Welcome to The Forum. What are your plans for the car?

DBXJ 10-26-2016 01:58 PM

Doing what any normal person does with a miata use it for scca autocross or track days already have cobra seats just waiting on my harnesses haven't picked out what suspension I want and really need a hardtop , and eventually next year I will turbo it but for now I'll enjoy it in its almost stock form .

sixshooter 10-26-2016 06:47 PM

Suspension? Xidas from 949racing.com. There's no better answer.

DBXJ 10-26-2016 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1370132)
Suspension? Xidas from 949racing.com. There's no better answer.

was actually leaning towards ohlins, I've had a set on my trackbike for a number of years and we have had some on a couple track cars and have always been impressed with the quality and with their customer service, but have yet to decide

emilio700 10-28-2016 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by DBXJ (Post 1370141)
was actually leaning towards ohlins, I've had a set on my trackbike for a number of years and we have had some on a couple track cars and have always been impressed with the quality and with their customer service, but have yet to decide

Without knowing anything detailed about the Ohlins or Xidas other than previous experience with the brand, I might decide the same way. The owners on this forum however, have extensive experience with virtually every shock or coilover setup ever offered for the NA/NB. You came to the right forum to search for tech info for the platform.

DBXJ 10-28-2016 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1370724)
Without knowing anything detailed about the Ohlins or Xidas other than previous experience with the brand, I might decide the same way. The owners on this forum however, have extensive experience with virtually every shock or coilover setup ever offered for the NA/NB. You came to the right forum to search for tech info for the platform.

that's pretty much why I'm here I'm a mechanic by trade but that doesn't mean I know the ins and outs of every car, and really don't want to run into another Tyrant Fabrication debacle

wackbards 10-29-2016 09:23 AM

Nice looking car! Looks pretty clean. Whatever route you end up going for suspension, I strongly recommend converting your car to NB top hats. They are way better than the NA ones. You can do if for really cheap too: all new rubber will cost about $50 for all four corners, which makes sourcing used top hats worthwhile.

DBXJ 10-31-2016 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by wackbards (Post 1370781)
Nice looking car! Looks pretty clean. Whatever route you end up going for suspension, I strongly recommend converting your car to NB top hats. They are way better than the NA ones. You can do if for really cheap too: all new rubber will cost about $50 for all four corners, which makes sourcing used top hats worthwhile.

I figured I'd pillow ball since the suspensions I'm looking at has them as a option or do I need top hats aswell?
I'll be ordering at the end of the year will also being doing bearings and bushing on everything since I'll have it apart

wackbards 10-31-2016 10:53 PM

I don't think you gain anything from running PB on a miata except NVH. Struts vs. shocks & all that.

DBXJ 10-31-2016 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by wackbards (Post 1371219)
I don't think you gain anything from running PB on a miata except NVH. Struts vs. shocks & all that.

figured since we did them on the rx7 for adjustability so I figured it would be fine to go with on the Miata, honestly don't know a whole lot about suspensions or the adjustments I had a friend help me setup the rx7 and I've hired people to do previous cars, what I really know is engines, trans, rear ends and electrical and don't know shit about body work lol

emilio700 10-31-2016 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by wackbards (Post 1371219)
I don't think you gain anything from running PB on a miata except NVH. Struts vs. shocks & all that.

Best not to guess if you don't have direct personal experience:)
Properly engineered and manufactured Billet Coaxial Mounts have virtually no adverse effect on NVH but allow the damper to do its job better than any fixed mount will.

DBXJ 10-31-2016 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1371223)
Best not to guess if you don't have direct personal experience:)
Properly engineered and manufactured Billet Coaxial Mounts have virtually no adverse effect on NVH but allow the damper to do its job better than any fixed mount will.

much like proper fender reinforcements and body stiffening will allow the suspension to do its job more effectively?

emilio700 10-31-2016 11:59 PM

Coaxial Billet Mount function
 

Originally Posted by DBXJ (Post 1371224)
much like proper fender reinforcements and body stiffening will allow the suspension to do its job more effectively?

Unrelated. A damper is basically two cylinders, one sliding inside the other. Add friction or drag and the damper doesn't work as well. Fixed mounts cause spring deflection in various modes. Coil springs do not compress in perfect symmetry. They twist, bend and distort during their stroke. A coaxial perch mount with spherical bearing on top and torrington thrust bearings below goes a long way towards isolating the damper from those spurious loads. You'll notice virtually all billet upper shock mounts available in the aftermarket do not have the key ingredient, the coaxial or "floating" secondary perch for the spring. This allows the body mount to sit off axis with the main spring without imparting any off axis loads into the damper that might increase friction. Additionally, the coaxial perch allows the spring to produce a more linear rate throughout its stroke. This feature is missing from most billet mounts simply because the companies making them either don't understand how the shock really works or are so focused on reducing cost and selling price that they just "leave that bit out".

DBXJ 11-01-2016 12:36 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1371226)
Unrelated. A damper is basically two cylinders, one sliding inside the other. Add friction or drag and the damper doesn't work as well. Fixed mounts cause spring deflection in various modes. Coil springs do not compress in perfect symmetry. They twist, bend and distort during their stroke. A coaxial perch mount with spherical bearing on top and torrington thrust bearings below goes a long way towards isolating the damper from those spurious loads. You'll notice virtually all billet upper shock mounts available in the aftermarket do not have the key ingredient, the coaxial or "floating" secondary perch for the spring. This allows the body mount to sit off axis with the main spring without imparting any off axis loads into the damper that might increase friction. Additionally, the coaxial perch allows the spring to produce a more linear rate throughout its stroke. This feature is missing from most billet mounts simply because the companies making them either don't understand how the shock really works or are so focused on reducing cost and selling price that they just "leave that bit out".

Well I'm a mechanic and a firm believer in only doing things one since I don't want to pull it apart later just to do it again later, have any recommendations for bushing kits or just stick with poly?

wackbards 11-01-2016 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1371223)
Best not to guess if you don't have direct personal experience:)
Properly engineered and manufactured Billet Coaxial Mounts have virtually no adverse effect on NVH but allow the damper to do its job better than any fixed mount will.

Point taken! To the OP: you're now getting suspension advice From just about the best source out there. Definitely don't listen to me.

x_25 11-02-2016 10:51 AM

*takes notes on Emilios posts*

Also, for bushings and info, see here. https://www.miataturbo.net/suspensio...cussion-87573/

DBXJ 11-02-2016 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by x_25 (Post 1371516)
*takes notes on Emilios posts*

Also, for bushings and info, see here. https://www.miataturbo.net/suspensio...cussion-87573/

cool thanks, spose i'll be reading for the next few hours lol


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