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CleverRevver 05-07-2014 08:50 PM

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Tekel 05-07-2014 09:05 PM

If you are still on stock ecu with nothing controlling your fuel, you will go boom. Where to start is everything on this site. Really, there is no how you find out what is on your car tutorial or walk through. You need to read read and read here. No one is going to hold your hand and give you cliff notes on your car. But post some pictures and we may be able to help get you started.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 09:12 PM

Would the ECU had to have been modified to a certain extent for the turbo to work? or would the absolute untouched stock ECU still allow me to run?

rleete 05-07-2014 09:14 PM

There's gotta be some bandaids, or it woulda grenaded by now.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 09:16 PM

I was thinking that too, it was installed about 20,000 miles ago. How would I check to see how it's been modified or is that something only a dyno shop can do?

rleete 05-07-2014 09:19 PM

You don't need a dyno, you need a competent mechanic.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 09:21 PM

And in terms of getting it tuned, could I avoid going to a dyno shop where they charge $100/hr?

Tekel 05-07-2014 09:27 PM

Unless you want to tune it yourself, pay some random guy to street tune it, or pay a shop to dyno tune it.

Step 1 is figure out what parts are on your system

Turbo, injectors, engine management... And so on. There is only so much people can do over the internet because we know even less about this car than you.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 09:30 PM

Now I have to learn how to identify everything in the bay.

thirdgen 05-07-2014 09:32 PM

Where are you from

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 09:37 PM

Wha

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 09:38 PM

CA

vteckiller2000 05-07-2014 10:09 PM

The Greddy kit comes with a Vortech FMU (rising rate fuel pressure regulator) that is actually decently well tuned for 5-8 psi. As long as that is installed and you are running 5 psi wastegate pressure you are fine.

That turbo doesn't make power until 4k rpm and it is probably not slower below that than a stock car, it just feels that way because you are used to the rush of power that comes on when the boost hits.

Don't modify anything from where it is out of the box unless you have a VERY good idea what you are doing. You will need a higher pressure fuel pump, a timing retard device and a really, really good clutch to go any farther and above 8-9 psi you will need a replacement computer. Above 10 psi with the FMU you will start locking up the injectors from the high fuel pressure anyway, so don't do that.


My advice is to leave it alone and enjoy it until you learn a lot about turbo miatas and turbo systems in general, or find a VERY competent friend/shop that has done turbo work on a miata before.


Source:
Former 1.6L Greddy Miata owner.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 10:14 PM

I owned two other miatas before this (stock and they were 1.8L) and my brother currently has a 1.8L as well. I'm more than positive that the speed before it is much slower than stock, I can tell something isn't working efficiently (the acceleration is terribly terribly slow). I'm not sure if my mpg would be another indicator of that or not but I measured it at 21mpg, I don't know if it should increase or decrease with a turbo kit.

On a side note, the only other thing that may be wrong or could be a factor in all of this besides a leak is my gas pedal, it's really tough to press down but still responsive and it's not sticking per se.

vteckiller2000 05-07-2014 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by CleverRevver (Post 1129216)
I owned two other miatas before this (stock and they were 1.8L) and my brother currently has a 1.8L as well. I'm more than positive that the speed before it is much slower than stock, I can tell something isn't working efficiently (the acceleration is terribly terribly slow). I'm not sure if my mpg would be another indicator of that or not but I measured it at 21mpg, I don't know if it should increase or decrease with a turbo kit.

On a side note, the only other thing that may be wrong or could be a factor in all of this besides a leak is my gas pedal, it's really tough to press down but still responsive and it's not sticking per se.

I bet whoever did the turbo retarded the base timing as a bandaid so it wouldn't ping. Do you have a boost gauge and wideband gauge? If not you should get them both and make sure you're boosting where you should be and are fueling appropriately for the turbo.

All forms of diagnostics are useless until you get a way to measure what the engine is doing.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 10:33 PM

Nope, interior is all stock except for my stereo :D
Where should I look to purchase one (or both) of those? and how would I go about setting them up?

vteckiller2000 05-07-2014 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by CleverRevver (Post 1129221)
Nope, interior is all stock except for my stereo :D
Where should I look to purchase one (or both) of those? and how would I go about setting them up?

Boost gauge, something like this:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/atm-2601/overview/

Wideband, something like this (I recommend this one, it is excellent):
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-4100/overview/

There should be adequate instructions on here if you search for info.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 10:44 PM

Out of curiosity...Do you have any other suggestions, that are more conscious of a college budget? If not I'll have to just wait and save up for a whiiiile- not impossible.

vteckiller2000 05-07-2014 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by CleverRevver (Post 1129227)
Out of curiosity...Do you have any other suggestions, that are more conscious of a college budget? If not I'll have to just wait and save up for a whiiiile- not impossible.

Those are the budget ones. The best advice I can give you is that if you are going to tune and modify, save for it and do it the right way once.

You should be fairly safe at 5 psi regardless as long as there aren't any underlying maintenance issues with the car. Once you have a wideband and boost gauge you can get a handle on what is going on.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 11:12 PM

Thank you so much for all the help. If there are any websites that come to your mind right away in terms of helping me educate myself more in an organized manner please do share them!

Again, I appreciate the help!

Monk 05-07-2014 11:33 PM

I don't think you'll find a more educational site than this one. It sounds like your best course of action might be to just sell this one and go back to a stock car. If you are really certain that you want a turbo car, save every penny you earn and read. Learn the limits of your car in stock form and, when you are ready for more power, you will have the knowledge and money to do it right. If you insist on keeping something that sounds like it's on the verge of self destruction, at least post some pictures of your engine bay so the very knowledgable people on this forum can figure out what the hell you're working with.

CleverRevver 05-07-2014 11:48 PM

Well it sounds like I shouldn't have to worry about the self destruction from the other responses! But I'll get some pictures first thing tomorrow!

zoomazoomzoom 05-08-2014 01:16 AM

Please get some pictures of the tag on the cold side of your turbo as well.

Look at the passenger side back of the motor (closest to the windsheild). There is a part back there called a crank angle sensor (CAS is the abreviation Miata folks use). Take some pictures of this part and also all the wires coming out of it.

Take some pictures of the rubber vaccum lines running in and out of the intake manifold too.

thenuge26 05-08-2014 09:00 AM

Read "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell. He's a vendor on this site, and while a bit old, his book is probably the best 'Turbocharging 101' you can get.

Steps to fix it on a college budget:

1) remove turbo

2) drive around NA 1.6 and hate life until you have money to do it right

Either way the first thing you should be doing is installing a wideband sensor so you can see how bad the tune is.

vteckiller2000 05-08-2014 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1129291)
Either way the first thing you should be doing is installing a wideband sensor so you can see how bad the tune is.

The tune is probably stock with an FMU as the kit was delivered from Greddy.

Any tuning issues are bound to be mechanical or maintenance issues based on this (so long as he is only running the base 5 psi).

thenuge26 05-08-2014 10:22 AM

Right, I think it was Fireindc that talked about how horrified he was after installing a WB02 in his greddy system and finding he was at 13.5 or leaner in boost.

vteckiller2000 05-08-2014 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1129335)
Right, I think it was Fireindc that talked about how horrified he was after installing a WB02 in his greddy system and finding he was at 13.5 or leaner in boost.

I had the opposite experience. Mine was in the mid 10's AFR.

thenuge26 05-08-2014 10:42 AM

The point being, just because you can't tune it doesn't mean it's a good tune.

Joe Perez 05-08-2014 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by CleverRevver (Post 1129175)
Can anyone refer me to some links so I can begin to identify parts of my car that directly pertain to the turbo besides the swirly thing itself?

It's a very general text (eg: non-Miata-specific), and parts of it are getting rather dated, but it's still the best fundamental reading on the theory and application of turbocharging that exists:

vteckiller2000 05-08-2014 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1129338)
The point being, just because you can't tune it doesn't mean it's a good tune.

The most valid point in this thread.

jcmusmc00 05-08-2014 11:51 AM

Miataturbo.net + "Maximum Boost" by Corky Bell + $$$ + ALOT of reading & searching Miataturbo.net + $$$ = success and one super fun car to drive :rofl:

Braineack 05-08-2014 12:31 PM

Welcome to the site CleverRevver, thanks for joining up!


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