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MX5RACER 01-23-2017 10:26 AM

1999 DIYPNP idle valve issue (now with MSQ)
 
I am having a hard time getting the idle valve to function. I have gone through all the Mega Miata blog posts and the information here on this site. I was able to get the idle valve to function correctly in the previous 3 DIYPNP's that I have built, one for my racecar and two for friends, but this one has got me stumped. I will post up my msq later this afternoon, when I have access to my tuning laptop. Basically, when I have the idle valve set to 480hz, and I do the idle valve test, I am getting little to no action until I get very high in the duty cycle. From 0-40 there is no change, from 41-75 there is a 10-20rpm change and from 76-88 the rpms go up as expected, but from 88-99 there is a LARGE jump, like from 1500 to 4000rpms. Also, when I start the car, the idle valve does not run and fast idle for a brief moment like it does on all the other installs I have done. I am thinking it may be the idle valve itself as it has 190,000 miles on it, but I want to make sure it is not a simple setting I am missing. I have tried to run the idle valve inverted as well and I get similar behavior in the test mode, but the numbers are reversed in 100% gives no valve action and 0% is fully open. Also, no matter what frequency I put, the valve makes noise.

Thanks for any suggestions and I will get my MSQ posted up this afternoon.

Braineack 01-23-2017 10:36 AM

did you install the flyback diode?<br /><br />NB valve likes to operate between ~60-90% PWM. I tend to use the 511Hz option. Sounds like yours may have an issue...

MX5RACER 01-23-2017 10:43 AM

Diode is installed and I do not have any higher frequency to chose from other than 480hz. Is there another firmware that can get me there or is there a script change needed via the notepad edit of the MSQ file?

MX5RACER 01-23-2017 06:02 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Here is my most recent MSQ file. I did some playing this afternoon with voltage compensation idle values and did not get much results. Please take a look and tell me what little setting I am missing!

Thanks for your help.

Attachment 178655
Attachment 178656

Matt Cramer 01-24-2017 09:26 AM

Can you also post a data log of what's going on?

MX5RACER 01-24-2017 10:14 AM

I am getting little to no action of the idle valve. I have to hold the revs up first thing in the morning until a little warm and then it will maintain its own idle. What spefically would you like to see in the log? Cold or hot, a rev and return to idle a few times?

Thanks for the help.

Matt Cramer 01-24-2017 12:42 PM

I'd recommend trying to move the IAC valve with idle test mode and logging how much the actual RPM changes.

MX5RACER 01-24-2017 01:48 PM

Will do. Do you have a preference from 100 down or ~35 up?

MX5RACER 01-24-2017 05:53 PM

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Here is a log of an idle valve test from 100 to 0, please see attached.

Attachment 178662

Matt Cramer 01-25-2017 10:57 AM

Yeah, it's being pretty touchy. How exactly is the flyback diode installed in the DIYPNP? And what happens if you try a lower frequency?

MX5RACER 01-25-2017 11:23 AM

A lower frequency will cause the valve to make more noise, but lowers the range at which the valve responds within test mode, but I still get no idle increase even with the new values from the test mode entered.
When I get home this evening, I will remove the DIYPNP and open up the case and report back with the findings.

Vincentmiata 01-25-2017 04:34 PM

My minimum valve duty is set to 25% and maximum to 85%

When i installed my skunk2 tb i hooked the IAC up and fired up idle valve test mode and checked within what range it moved and this is wat i came up with. Im using the 511hz freq

MX5RACER 01-26-2017 10:21 AM

I forgot my Daughter had a school event yesterday evening and I did not have time to yank the DIYPNP and crack it open.

MX5RACER 01-31-2017 09:28 AM

Just to update the post. I have not been able to get the ECU out of the car and open it up. I hope to be able to that this evening. Lots of family stuff going on.

MX5RACER 01-31-2017 08:19 PM

Ok, update time! Lesson for the day... When you guy second hand devices do NOT assume the previous owner assembled the device correctly. I opened up the unit and there is no diode. In its place there is a resistor to 5v. I de-soldered the resistor and soldered in a diode I had from other Megasquirt builds. Put the unit back in the car and I now have a normally functioning idle valve! Thanks for all who helped.

MX5RACER 01-31-2017 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Matt Cramer (Post 1388641)
Yeah, it's being pretty touchy. How exactly is the flyback diode installed in the DIYPNP? And what happens if you try a lower frequency?

You sir, earned another cat! Support like yours is why I buy from DIY Autotune.

Braineack 01-31-2017 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by MX5RACER (Post 1389888)
You sir, earned another cat! Support like yours is why I buy from DIY Autotune.

I said it in post #2...


did you install the flyback diode?

MX5RACER 01-31-2017 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1389895)
I said it in post #2...

You get a cat too. Thanks for them help. Sorry I missed it the first time.


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