Joe alluded that some igniters have capacitive inputs, and I was curious which ones.
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Originally Posted by Spookyfish
(Post 430630)
Does this mean remove the two red wires below the surface of the board? Ex. PAD1 and IACB2B en PAD3 and X ?
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Originally Posted by f_devocht
(Post 430804)
Desolder doesn't mean remove. Just desolder one end of the wires.
Plus, it says desolder the jumpers, now that doesn't mean desolder only half of each jumper either. I want Joe or Matt to chime in here before I wreck my MSPNP. |
If you don't understand that, you shouldn't be allowed to own a soldering iron.
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Originally Posted by f_devocht
(Post 430925)
If you don't understand that, you shouldn't be allowed to own a soldering iron.
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So, help me out here guys. I have the NPNs in my hand and the board ripped open. So do I just remove the red jumper wires or what?
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DIY's instructions couldn't be simpler. desolder the two jumpers going to PAD1 and PAD3. do not remove them, just desolder them at that spot. insert the transistors, then solder the red jumpers back to the transistors in the correct spots per the instructions. the end. simple 5 minute fix.
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Ah, fawk, now that I've actually read the instructions I understand what they mean. So it's done:
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Hey, guys. I've been around on sporadically for the past few weeks, so I'm playing catchup on old posts.
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 430797)
Joe alluded that some igniters have capacitive inputs, and I was curious which ones.
http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/...lm_3f63c21.gif I haven't actually dissected the igniter to inspect it, but you can see why I have inferred that the input has a high capacitance. |
Ahhh, that's not load capacitance you see. If it were capacitive you wouldn't have a step up in the igniter input (yellow) voltage (at the start) because a capacitor would need a very large spike in current to do that.
The rising igniter drive voltage with increasing primary current that you see is probably due to a current sense resistor scheme in the igniter circuit. (Such an architecture in driving inductive loads is quite common) The scheme accomplishes 2 things - a current limit if dwell is too long, in order to protect the main igniter transistor, and a means for the ECU to be able to sense the primary current by looking at the igniter drive voltage. Presumably some factory ECUs can dynamically adjust dwell time vs. system voltage, akin to having long term fuel trims. Nevertheless whatever drive circuit you have for the igniter input, it would have to be capable of delivering the max input voltage (top of yellow) and the input current at that point, at a dwell > max needed (iow reaches current limit). I noticed that if you have insufficient drive, the max current (i.e. current limit setpoint), goes down. In the thread where I described the COP measurements, I give these values - these values give you a maximum allowable pullup resistance for a given pullup voltage. Clear? :) |
First report: car didn't blow up while powering MSPNP, changing Spark Output Invert = YES and recycling and replugging the ignitor. Haven't crancked yet, other stuff to finish first.
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Originally Posted by Spookyfish
(Post 436538)
First report: car didn't blow up while powering MSPNP, changing Spark Output Invert = YES and recycling and replugging the ignitor. Haven't crancked yet, other stuff to finish first.
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Can't believe how happy I am that the car no longer pops after sitting for a few hours. This mod is amazing and should be incorporated in the MSPNP board!
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Originally Posted by Spookyfish
(Post 438393)
Can't believe how happy I am that the car no longer pops after sitting for a few hours. This mod is amazing and should be incorporated in the MSPNP board!
My Popping and fouling has gotten fairly severe lately and i've been intentionally not performing joe's better spark out circuit assuming it has been letting me know that something else is wrong. If this pop is actually what is causing my fouling, then I need to do it. |
Originally Posted by wayne_curr
(Post 440966)
Do you have anymore issues with plugs fouling? I'm trying to figure out if this popping is what is fouling my plugs or the fuel (leak?) issue that is giving the plugs something to ignite...
My Popping and fouling has gotten fairly severe lately and i've been intentionally not performing joe's better spark out circuit assuming it has been letting me know that something else is wrong. If this pop is actually what is causing my fouling, then I need to do it. |
The board design doesn't accommodate two spark channels at all. :-) remember, that was a mod in the first place.
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Originally Posted by AbeFM
(Post 441105)
The board design doesn't accommodate two spark channels at all. :-) remember, that was a mod in the first place.
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Yeah, as designed, the rev 3.0 board does not accommodate any logic-level ignition outputs, and only one high-current ignition output. Remember, this thing was mostly conceived by guys with old V8 engines running distributors.
So the "traditional" two-channel ignition output (soldering the two resistors across the LEDs) is a mod, and then my circuit is a mod to a mod. The problem is that whoever came up with that mod in the first place (and it's been years, so who the heck knows where it originally came from) was either lazy, cheap, or just didn't take the time to really think about how the circuit was going to behave in-situ. |
Originally Posted by Spookyfish
(Post 441098)
No more popping nor fouling. Cold and hot starts are awesome now, given that I stop messing with Crank and ASE (which I messed with before because of the popping). But this is the final solution. The board design was just crappy and this is a much better output circuit.
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I guess something specifically about the pop is whats fouling them |
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