CAM input circuit for MS2, 4G63
I recently built two MS-IIs on V3 boards for two different Miatas, both 90-93 1.6s. Both displayed the same problem, sync loss with sync loss reason = 38. Using the diagnostic in TunerStudio, both units in both cars showed noise in the cam signal. After many, many tests and board alterations, I was able to solve it by using a second optoisolator (4N25) on the cam input circuit as well. I completely removed the suggested circuit (IAC1A to JS10 with a 470 pullup to 5V) and replaced that circuit with a copy of the circuit used for the crank input.
Both cars work flawlessly now, when one car would lose sync every 5 or so minutes, and the other every 20 minutes. So I suggest that everyone uses this on their builds. |
A datapoint -- I've been running with dual optos since I built my MS2 in fall '08 and have never had a sync loss issue on either the 1990 or 1996 engine/CAS.
I (obviously) think that running the dual optoisolators is a good idea as well. |
Im running dual optos on mine, but never had 1 issue with the standard single opto input on any of the CAS MS2-MS3 setups I've done.
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I had sync issues with just 1 opto too, have always run 2 optos since and zero issues
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Anyone care to update the stickies?
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Did you guys have to do anything out of the ordinary to get the opto on the second trigger to work? I tried running a second opto on mine but could never get it to sync. I installed the basic trigger, it synced, fired right up and ran perfect. I'm wondering if I ended up with a bad opto isolator from Digikey.
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you just duplicate the circuit that's built in.
http://msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/Igni...V_V3_Input.GIF http://msextra.com/doc/ms2extra/Igni...dCAS_Input.GIF http://www.boostedmiata.com/gallery2...2/DSC_0117.JPG I run the second trigger opto, but like I said, I never had an issue without it. I installed it trying to tract down a misfire I having on MS3. Ive probably done 20 or so v3.0 boards with MS2 on 90-97 cars without any sync issues without the second. |
Yep, that's how I had it hooked up. Double checked it 3 times too. Input to the opto was good (power and ground) but it didn't ever seem to output a signal. Wierd. I must have gotten a bad one. I'll have to get another and try it out.
Thanks! |
Reverant,
Did your original build include the cap mod? The cap is too large for MS2, which triggers off both edges. |
Ah yes. The few MSPNPs I've custom converted to MS2, I've removed the 2nd trigger cap. So far, I haven't seen any sync loss issues without it, though it's possible it might need a small cap.
The 2nd opto method should work well too. |
I tried with and without cap, with cap it lost sync above IIRC 4k, without cap it never sync'd
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Originally Posted by Matt Cramer
(Post 678439)
Reverant,
Did your original build include the cap mod? The cap is too large for MS2, which triggers off both edges. |
How was the crank input set up? It needs to be inverted with that particular cam input setup.
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