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hustler 01-27-2007 09:38 PM

full stand alone MS&sE questions:
 
I talked to the guys at DIY autotune, and it will cost me $580 for a full stand alone set-up so I can just run some wires and be done.

I have a few questions for stuff I don't understand from the manual:
Do I need a variable tps...can't I just use map values to make the fuel tables with no maf?
-can I use a vw t-body which uses inverse values or throttle position?
(I did search, and I don't know if anyone is running full stand alone for this)
how do I trigger the fast idle for engaging the AC?

any other thoughts?

Al Hounos 01-27-2007 10:28 PM

you don't need a tps.
i'd imagine after you did idle control you could rig up something to raise the idle for AC. search on msextra.com

you should get it running in parallel first though.

richyvrlimited 01-28-2007 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Al Hounos (Post 76055)
you don't need a tps.
i'd imagine after you did idle control you could rig up something to raise the idle for AC. search on msextra.com

I wasn't sure how the stock ECU raised the revs for the A/C.....

At the minute I've got Closed Loop idle working well enough that it automatically compensates for the extra load of the A/C :)

Al Hounos 01-28-2007 12:11 PM

ah, well, that would do it. i couldn't ever get closed loop working very well. that's cool.

hustler 01-28-2007 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by richyvrlimited (Post 76103)
I wasn't sure how the stock ECU raised the revs for the A/C.....

At the minute I've got Closed Loop idle working well enough that it automatically compensates for the extra load of the A/C :)

awesome, once again ms is better than the haltech e6k I bought for my vw a few years ago. I wish I knew about ms back then.

neogenesis2004 01-28-2007 12:47 PM

Would you mind posting your closed loop idle settings in the settings thread? I'd be very interested in seeing them and testing them out.

richyvrlimited 01-28-2007 12:58 PM

no probs, I'm not at home at the moment but I'll do it later tonight.

hustler 01-28-2007 03:11 PM

thanks guys, I fucking love this board.

hustler 01-28-2007 03:41 PM

what do I need to do when I install th e99 motor? Apparently the hall sensor/cps is not on the head, and now on the crank...will I have to set up ms differently considering the funky 2 wire thing DIY autotune does?


I haven't seen the car yet since I work out of town.

would it be easier to just get a gm hall sensor and stick the magnets on the crank pully and make a mount for the pickup?

ecugrad 01-28-2007 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 76211)
what do I need to do when I install th e99 motor? Apparently the hall sensor/cps is not on the head, and now on the crank...will I have to set up ms differently considering the funky 2 wire thing DIY autotune does?


I haven't seen the car yet since I work out of town.

would it be easier to just get a gm hall sensor and stick the magnets on the crank pully and make a mount for the pickup?

Just put the CAS on the 99 motor :bigtu:

Aussie Driver 01-28-2007 05:12 PM

I put the CAS from my old 1.6 straight onto my 99 engine and all I had to do was extend the CAS wiring a little bit. It works perfectly.

hustler 01-28-2007 06:21 PM

thanks again;

hustler 01-28-2007 06:21 PM

thanks again

hustler 01-29-2007 12:32 PM

I'm reading the mega manual, and don't understand a few concepts...can someone please help:
why would I want more than one squirt per engine cycle, and if I had more than one, why not do the 4 squirt per cycle option...which is sequential injection?

Injections per Engine Cycle is set the number of squirts you want per engine cycle. You want this to be set so that your idle pulse width is no less than 2.0 ms, if possible, and your Req_Fuel is less than 12-15 milliseconds, but more than 8 milliseconds. These values allow proper tuning of the idle mixture while maintaining the ability to apply enrichments (acceleration, warm-up, etc.) under full throttle. This is the total injector events that you wish to occur for every engine cycle (360 degrees for two stroke engines and 720° for four strokes).

Injector Staging values for injector staging are simultaneous or alternating. If you want all your injectors to fire at once, select simultaneous. If you want half your injectors to fire at each injection event, and the other half on the next event, select alternating.

Note that with port injection, you must choose at at least 2 squirts per cycle with alternating injection, otherwise every other cycle for each cylinder will get NO fuel! The engine will run very badly.

There is some benefit to choosing 2 squirts/alternating for port injection, since only half of the injectors fire at once, the pressure drop in the fuel rails is reduced and the fuelling is more consistent.

With throttle body injection, the number of injection/cycle you can will depend on your number of cylinders, plenum size, Req_Fuel, etc. You have to experiment to see what works best for your combination.

Aussie Driver 01-29-2007 03:03 PM

Are you reading this from the Mega Manual?

You would be better off reading the MSnSE Manual. The reason why I say this is that MSnSE doesn't support sequential injection and we (mostly) use MSnSE.

hustler 01-29-2007 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Aussie Driver (Post 76571)
Are you reading this from the Mega Manual?

You would be better off reading the MSnSE Manual. The reason why I say this is that MSnSE doesn't support sequential injection and we (mostly) use MSnSE.

do you have a link to that? I can't find it with google. I learned alot from the megamanual though.l

hustler 01-29-2007 04:26 PM

is everyone here setting cruise afr's to something super lean like 16:1?

Any other good website that talk about tuning the ve table vs. the map? I'm still kinda confused. I don't really understand the concept of adding fuel for rpm, not constant with rpm, and the theoretical mass air stuff is counter intuitive.

richyvrlimited 01-29-2007 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 76199)
thanks guys, I fucking love this board.

Okays took a bit cos I'm lazy :cool: sorry ;)

http://www.asbi52.dsl.pipex.com/miscpics/CLIdle1.JPG


http://www.asbi52.dsl.pipex.com/miscpics/CLIdle2.JPG

Hope this helps everyone. My Idle valve groaned a bit occasionally, but nothing major. I went to a lower frequency so it had more 'steps' to play with. Been a month(ish) now with no ill effects, and my mate with a LINK's Idle valve grans much worse than mine and has done for years!

remember to alter the TPS Threshold ADC value to suit your car ;)

Arkmage 01-29-2007 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 76621)
is everyone here setting cruise afr's to something super lean like 16:1?

Any other good website that talk about tuning the ve table vs. the map? I'm still kinda confused. I don't really understand the concept of adding fuel for rpm, not constant with rpm, and the theoretical mass air stuff is counter intuitive.

I can relate... I'm used to tuning by editing injector open time vs tps vs map... not VE. Live and learn my friend.


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