High AFR on basemap MSPNP MM9093
#1
High AFR on basemap MSPNP MM9093
Hello.
This is what I have done so far:
Installed my MSPNP MM9093 on my Mx-5 (miata) NA 1990 1.6.
Removed the MAF and installed a IAT-sensor.
Set the timing.
Removed the old narrowband sensor and installed a Innovate LC-1.
Calibrated the Innovate LC-1.
Connected the Analog output 2 to the old narrowband connector (goes to the MS). Connected analog output 1 to a AFR meter / gauge inside the car. Bot outputs are set as lambda and wideband. I followed the instructions on this site: MX-5 Unleashed - Mega Squirt PNP installation instruction for Eunos or miata and ofc this: MegaSquirtPNP by DIYAutoTune.com
The car started with no problem. However, the AFR reading in tunerstudio are about 2 higher then on my gauge. The LC-1 is grounded at the same place as the original ECU (and now the MS). The Gauge is grounded inside the car (ISO-connector, I don't have a cd-player installed).
A couple of questions:
It seems like the car is running lean when idleing, but the idle is perfect when the car is warm. It's at 950 rpm. I ran the Warmup Enrichment autotune in TunerStudio, but it didn't change anything. The car warmed up with a steady RPM of 1300 ish before it setteled at 950 RPM. Under the warm up, the AFR on my gauge showed 15 - 16 and Tunerstudio shoed 17 - 18... Why?
I haven't driven the car yet, in fear of it running lean. I don't trust my AFR readings.
I used the basemap from DIYAutotune.
DASH:
EGO Control:
Ignition Advance Table:
Lambda Sensor Settings:
Project Config:
Project Settings:
Spark Settings:
VE Table:
Warmup Enrichment:
This is what I have done so far:
Installed my MSPNP MM9093 on my Mx-5 (miata) NA 1990 1.6.
Removed the MAF and installed a IAT-sensor.
Set the timing.
Removed the old narrowband sensor and installed a Innovate LC-1.
Calibrated the Innovate LC-1.
Connected the Analog output 2 to the old narrowband connector (goes to the MS). Connected analog output 1 to a AFR meter / gauge inside the car. Bot outputs are set as lambda and wideband. I followed the instructions on this site: MX-5 Unleashed - Mega Squirt PNP installation instruction for Eunos or miata and ofc this: MegaSquirtPNP by DIYAutoTune.com
The car started with no problem. However, the AFR reading in tunerstudio are about 2 higher then on my gauge. The LC-1 is grounded at the same place as the original ECU (and now the MS). The Gauge is grounded inside the car (ISO-connector, I don't have a cd-player installed).
A couple of questions:
It seems like the car is running lean when idleing, but the idle is perfect when the car is warm. It's at 950 rpm. I ran the Warmup Enrichment autotune in TunerStudio, but it didn't change anything. The car warmed up with a steady RPM of 1300 ish before it setteled at 950 RPM. Under the warm up, the AFR on my gauge showed 15 - 16 and Tunerstudio shoed 17 - 18... Why?
I haven't driven the car yet, in fear of it running lean. I don't trust my AFR readings.
I used the basemap from DIYAutotune.
DASH:
EGO Control:
Ignition Advance Table:
Lambda Sensor Settings:
Project Config:
Project Settings:
Spark Settings:
VE Table:
Warmup Enrichment:
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mines the same, grounded to the engine, its the basemap is rubbish mate.... I just turned the required fuel up alittle so it idles around 14-14.7,
you should also notice when u floor it...... it should go rich after 3-4k
you should also notice when u floor it...... it should go rich after 3-4k
#7
The problem was that I hadn´t set up a AFR Target table. I then used autotune to get going. Works great.
I also grounded everything on the same place. The AFR readings are the same now :-)
WUE is tuned okay too.
But AFR is no to rich after I´ve driven for half an hour. If I then autotune it, the AFR is lean the next time I start the car (even when the engine gets hot).
Please post your AFR Target table :-) Would be nice to comapre.
I also grounded everything on the same place. The AFR readings are the same now :-)
WUE is tuned okay too.
But AFR is no to rich after I´ve driven for half an hour. If I then autotune it, the AFR is lean the next time I start the car (even when the engine gets hot).
Please post your AFR Target table :-) Would be nice to comapre.
#8
i had this same exact issue before... idle is fine and it wont even hunt, or rpm bounce, took off my MS, ran band aid setup, replaced 350cc injector with oem ones , replaced my exhintake cam, ran a crossover pipe bypassing the FMIC , sprayed every possible hoses for vacuum leak, and rechecked my timing ..still nothing. and my vacuum is steady 19-20hg .. i was soo lost .. until i decided to look around the exhaust pipes. viola, i have a exhaust leak after my wideband 02 sensor.. so that fixed it ... now time to put my old stuff back in
#11
I believe you are correct.
The problem is not that the AFR differs from the gauge to TunerStudio. But AFR in general is too low.
So.. AFR readings are fine after I grounded everything at the same spot.
I think the problem is in my tune. My AFR-Target Table is just something I typed up after reading the manual and different articles about the miata and ms. Not sure it is the best one.
The problem is not that the AFR differs from the gauge to TunerStudio. But AFR in general is too low.
So.. AFR readings are fine after I grounded everything at the same spot.
I think the problem is in my tune. My AFR-Target Table is just something I typed up after reading the manual and different articles about the miata and ms. Not sure it is the best one.
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I don't see where you posted your target AFR's.
If you now have TS and gauge reading the same, the next step is to choose your AFR targets.
Then tune VE table, WUE, MAT Corr, etc to get you at your targets. You can use autotune to help with VE table which is where you shoud start, at fully warmed.
If you now have TS and gauge reading the same, the next step is to choose your AFR targets.
Then tune VE table, WUE, MAT Corr, etc to get you at your targets. You can use autotune to help with VE table which is where you shoud start, at fully warmed.
#13
This is a old thread. I can upload my AFR targets + the tune and logs.
WUE is good. The AFR when I start it after standing still for a month is good. No problem after I tuned the WUE.
I've done this: Started the car, waited for it to get warm, then I've taken if for a run and used autotune to get good AFR-readings. If I stop the car for a while (let's say 30 minutes) and go for a drive again, the AFR is too rich. Like 11 - 12 while cruising. So after a while I used autotune to tune it again. The problem is that when I start the car the next day, the AFR is too lean...
So.. I went for a ride, autotuned it, stopped, waited a while and went for a ride again. Same problem. Then I just drove home and parked.
The next day I started it up, no problem. Good AFR-readings.
The problem: I only get rich AFR-Readings after a warm start. And they stay rich until I stop. I though this could be a problem with heatsoaking the IAT-sensor. But then the AFR should me lean ( ? ) .
I'll try to read up on MAT correction and test that out. Thanks.
WUE is good. The AFR when I start it after standing still for a month is good. No problem after I tuned the WUE.
I've done this: Started the car, waited for it to get warm, then I've taken if for a run and used autotune to get good AFR-readings. If I stop the car for a while (let's say 30 minutes) and go for a drive again, the AFR is too rich. Like 11 - 12 while cruising. So after a while I used autotune to tune it again. The problem is that when I start the car the next day, the AFR is too lean...
So.. I went for a ride, autotuned it, stopped, waited a while and went for a ride again. Same problem. Then I just drove home and parked.
The next day I started it up, no problem. Good AFR-readings.
The problem: I only get rich AFR-Readings after a warm start. And they stay rich until I stop. I though this could be a problem with heatsoaking the IAT-sensor. But then the AFR should me lean ( ? ) .
I'll try to read up on MAT correction and test that out. Thanks.
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Sorry, I didn't notice that the first posts were far in time away from the recent ones.
You are on the right track. If MAT is being overcompensated you could go rich. But when heat soak is over with, things should go normal. The thing to look for is correlation between MAT and AFR. If there is correlation, then that is likely where you need to adjust. If there is not, then you will need to look elsewhere.
You are on the right track. If MAT is being overcompensated you could go rich. But when heat soak is over with, things should go normal. The thing to look for is correlation between MAT and AFR. If there is correlation, then that is likely where you need to adjust. If there is not, then you will need to look elsewhere.
#17
Regarding AFR...
I started w/ a similar basemap but made many changes to the AFR table based upon reading in tuning books. I recall leaning out cruise cells 15.5 mostly, and keeping my 100kPA row (I'm NA running 93 octane) around 12.5.
I say that w/ the point that I adjusted the basemap to what I felt comfortable after research for how to set up the AFR table. Too much chasing of tails early on thinking I had a good AFR table only to then make changes and have to retune...
If you're using the standard GM IAT sensor and have it calibrated correctly, it shouldn't be heat-soaking and lowering your AFRs after you autotune.
An opinion on the INNOVATE LC-1...
I'll offer this...I started tuning last Spring using an older lightly-used XD-16 (i.e. LC-1 + AFR gauge) from the previous turbo setup and had a helluva time getting it to read accurately. Tried different grounding schemes to no avail. It would always calibrate near actual then drift. It may be able to have accuracy restored, but I simply didn't want to mess w/ it...
I ripped it out and bought an AEM UEGO based upon glowing reviews...in this one case, the Internet doesn't lie. These things plain work w/ no attention needed. I've ran mine since June(?) tuning fuel and driveability while chasing an ignition issue and have not had any accuracy issues. Money well-spent to not have to second-guess a crucial sensor.
I started w/ a similar basemap but made many changes to the AFR table based upon reading in tuning books. I recall leaning out cruise cells 15.5 mostly, and keeping my 100kPA row (I'm NA running 93 octane) around 12.5.
I say that w/ the point that I adjusted the basemap to what I felt comfortable after research for how to set up the AFR table. Too much chasing of tails early on thinking I had a good AFR table only to then make changes and have to retune...
If you're using the standard GM IAT sensor and have it calibrated correctly, it shouldn't be heat-soaking and lowering your AFRs after you autotune.
An opinion on the INNOVATE LC-1...
I'll offer this...I started tuning last Spring using an older lightly-used XD-16 (i.e. LC-1 + AFR gauge) from the previous turbo setup and had a helluva time getting it to read accurately. Tried different grounding schemes to no avail. It would always calibrate near actual then drift. It may be able to have accuracy restored, but I simply didn't want to mess w/ it...
I ripped it out and bought an AEM UEGO based upon glowing reviews...in this one case, the Internet doesn't lie. These things plain work w/ no attention needed. I've ran mine since June(?) tuning fuel and driveability while chasing an ignition issue and have not had any accuracy issues. Money well-spent to not have to second-guess a crucial sensor.
#18
I've moved the IAT sensor from the exhaust side to the intake side. I'm running a M45 supercharger. I tuned it way rich. But Atleast I can drive it around and do stop without having it lean out.
I'm installing an intercooler this winter, after that I will have it tuned by someone who knows a lot more about megasquirt then me.
I'm installing an intercooler this winter, after that I will have it tuned by someone who knows a lot more about megasquirt then me.
#19
This is a old thread. I can upload my AFR targets + the tune and logs.
WUE is good. The AFR when I start it after standing still for a month is good. No problem after I tuned the WUE.
I've done this: Started the car, waited for it to get warm, then I've taken if for a run and used autotune to get good AFR-readings. If I stop the car for a while (let's say 30 minutes) and go for a drive again, the AFR is too rich. Like 11 - 12 while cruising. So after a while I used autotune to tune it again. The problem is that when I start the car the next day, the AFR is too lean...
So.. I went for a ride, autotuned it, stopped, waited a while and went for a ride again. Same problem. Then I just drove home and parked.
The next day I started it up, no problem. Good AFR-readings.
The problem: I only get rich AFR-Readings after a warm start. And they stay rich until I stop. I though this could be a problem with heatsoaking the IAT-sensor. But then the AFR should me lean ( ? ) .
I'll try to read up on MAT correction and test that out. Thanks.
WUE is good. The AFR when I start it after standing still for a month is good. No problem after I tuned the WUE.
I've done this: Started the car, waited for it to get warm, then I've taken if for a run and used autotune to get good AFR-readings. If I stop the car for a while (let's say 30 minutes) and go for a drive again, the AFR is too rich. Like 11 - 12 while cruising. So after a while I used autotune to tune it again. The problem is that when I start the car the next day, the AFR is too lean...
So.. I went for a ride, autotuned it, stopped, waited a while and went for a ride again. Same problem. Then I just drove home and parked.
The next day I started it up, no problem. Good AFR-readings.
The problem: I only get rich AFR-Readings after a warm start. And they stay rich until I stop. I though this could be a problem with heatsoaking the IAT-sensor. But then the AFR should me lean ( ? ) .
I'll try to read up on MAT correction and test that out. Thanks.