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curly 05-15-2018 11:36 PM

Idle is set to 950 right now. The more I tune it the more I want a 1000+ idle. Along with a 13 or less afr and yes, I'd be willing to try lower ignition too. I'm turning on CL idle in his latest tune to try and keep it from stalling when returning to idle. My own car will return to idle without an idle valve intervention, and can droop as low as ~300rpm without stalling, I really don't think this one will ever do the same.

I've never tried it, is there a way to trim a log down? I have a few of him driving with autotune on and/or idling, but they're both huge logs. This is one of the first times I've seen how it behaves while driving, MAP never reads above 109kpa, but I'm sure he's (hopefully) babying it.

aidandj 05-15-2018 11:40 PM

Open it in excel and cut things out. It's just a csv file I believe.

Ted75zcar 05-15-2018 11:42 PM

You can trim logs in MLV by using the right click delete before and right click delete after function followed by file-export. You need to copy and paste the header lines from the original log back in with a text editor before you you reopen the log IIRC

edit: get used to it and it takes less than a minute. Awesome for VD!

Ted75zcar 05-15-2018 11:43 PM

109kpa is a tough number to hit. Is the WG wired open?

950 is really low for an engine that isn't misfiring or badly timed at 60kpa. I suspect either a badly calibrated/faulty MAP or an average of 2-3 cylinders firing per cycle.

Skamba 05-16-2018 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1482456)
Idle is set to 950 right now. The more I tune it the more I want a 1000+ idle. Along with a 13 or less afr and yes, I'd be willing to try lower ignition too. I'm turning on CL idle in his latest tune to try and keep it from stalling when returning to idle. My own car will return to idle without an idle valve intervention, and can droop as low as ~300rpm without stalling, I really don't think this one will ever do the same.

I've never tried it, is there a way to trim a log down? I have a few of him driving with autotune on and/or idling, but they're both huge logs. This is one of the first times I've seen how it behaves while driving, MAP never reads above 109kpa, but I'm sure he's (hopefully) babying it.

You can also upload the logs to https://mega.nz/. Quick howto:
1) Create an account / log in
2) Drag 'n drop the logs into this screen. Wait while it uploads (could take a minute or two depending on the size).
3) Right click on the log you want to share, press get link and copy paste the link with key url to this forum.

DNMakinson 05-16-2018 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1482456)
I've never tried it, is there a way to trim a log down?

Not presently where I have MLV. There are actually menu functions to do that, and then export. No need to copy headers, they are not lost. I have never done the right click approach.

Play with the menus and you'll find the trim before and trim after items.

curly 05-16-2018 10:36 AM

Ok thanks. Y'all think I have way more time on my hands than I do!

For now, here are the specs from keegan:


Intake lift .351

Duration 268

Duration @.050 213

Ex lift .360

Duration 247

Duration @ .050 226

The lobe center for the intake is 108 deg and the same for the exhaust.

Ted75zcar 05-16-2018 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1482532)
Ok thanks. Y'all think I have way more time on my hands than I do!

Nope, this is why I don't do much of this :)

sixshooter 05-16-2018 01:24 PM

Since my experience with big cams is in muscle cars I will contribute that they must be idled higher then their stock cammed equivalents to generate good vacuum. I would have set the idle that at about 1150 or 1200 RPM was cams of that duration and see if the afr's and the idle doesn't stabilize.

curly 05-16-2018 02:32 PM

I'll try that, thanks

18psi 05-16-2018 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1482588)
Since my experience with big cams is in muscle cars I will contribute that they must be idled higher then their stock cammed equivalents to generate good vacuum. I would have set the idle that at about 1150 or 1200 RPM was cams of that duration and see if the afr's and the idle doesn't stabilize.

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree. Last cammed miata I tuned was a 1.6 but had no problem idling sub-1000 with HKS cams (Cam Duration: 256 / Cam Lift: 9 Mm). didn't even have an iacv, and also was running the twin disk that weighs nothing and doesn't help idle at all.

But I guess try it. I just don't think that's a real fix, because even the crappiest setup will idle at 1200.

curly 05-16-2018 11:23 PM

It’s idling at 950 just fine, once it gets warm it seems to refuse to restart. We’re currently trying the only two things I know of, more fuel or more air. if 50-200rpm makes this easier, I’m all for it, and it won’t make that big of a difference in driving experience.

nitrodann 05-17-2018 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1482640)
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree. Last cammed miata I tuned was a 1.6 but had no problem idling sub-1000 with HKS cams (Cam Duration: 256 / Cam Lift: 9 Mm).

Smaller cams, OP has 10* more duration and no one knows how much overlap.

I believe that it's the cams. My experience with cammed B series motors says its the cams. Ive been involved with a dozen or more including building tuning and owning one.

Dann

Skamba 05-17-2018 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1482668)
It’s idling at 950 just fine, once it gets warm it seems to refuse to restart. We’re currently trying the only two things I know of, more fuel or more air. if 50-200rpm makes this easier, I’m all for it, and it won’t make that big of a difference in driving experience.

Did disabling the intake cam advance at idle rpms make a difference? Or is VVT not in use?

18psi 05-17-2018 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by nitrodann (Post 1482701)
Smaller cams, OP has 10* more duration and no one knows how much overlap.

I believe that it's the cams. My experience with cammed B series motors says its the cams. Ive been involved with a dozen or more including building tuning and owning one.

Dann

Ok.
What's your solution?

maxpro 05-17-2018 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1482342)
which 1000cc injectors

INJECTOR DYNAMIC EV14 INJECTORS


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